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Post hyst lab tests

by Heather
(Gilbert, AZ)

Dear Wrey,

I am 41 years old. I had a total hyst (including ovaries) almost 8 weeks ago due to suspected ovarian cancer. Surgery found no cancer, but an entire abdomen filled with endometriosis. I am now researching hormonal imbalances as I am still so fatigued I can barely function. Other problems include hypothyroidism (which constantly fluctuates) and obesity.

In my research, I have found that a 200:1 or 300:1 Progesterone/estrogen ratio is ideal. You believethat 600:1 is best, based on saliva testing.
I have recently got results to my bloodwork, and if I did my math right, my ratio seems unusually low, around 3:1:

Testosterone 18
Progesterone 0.3
Estrogens 94

I have a couple of tubes of Natpro that I bought a while ago. I never did the research before to know how to use it, but I certainly need it now. How do you suggest I proceed?

BTW, both my gyn oncologist and Primary care doc prescribed Prempro. I tried it and hated it. As you can see, I don't need anymore estrogen!

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Jun 08, 2012
 Post hyst lab tests
by: Wray

Hi Heather I'm rather shocked they didn't find the Endometriosis prior to the hyst. And no cancer either, what a way to treat a woman. Yes, ratios for P:E2 are usually lower than the 600:1 I find is best, or even higher. And you are right about your ratio, extremely low. It doesn't surprise me you had endo. Although this is caused by oxidative stress, ie free radical damage, it's exacerbated by oestrogen. This is an inflammatory hormone, besides being a mitogen causing cells to proliferate. So in typical fashion you've been given a procedure which treats the symptom and not the cause. You still have oxidative stress and high oestrogen in ratio to progesterone. You certainly don't need more oestrogen! And not in HRT form either. You do need large amounts of antioxidants, progesterone alone will not help. Although it is a potent anti-inflammatory and antioxidant, and will suppress the excess oestrogen, it will need help. I normally recommend 100-200mg/day progesterone, but suspect you will need far more. In fact if you still had the endo I would have suggested using 500mg/day, I've found it needs to be this much to help. It is trial and error, I suggest starting with 200mg/day (6ml of cream) and keeping a watch for any Oestrogen Dominance symptoms. Now you've been plunged into Menopause you might like to read through this page. I suspect your vitamin D level is very low, please have a test done. It's a potent antioxidant and anti-inflammatory, needed by every cell to function normally. A lack of it reduces the benefits of progesterone, plus causing Insulin Resistance and obesity, see here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Continued below.
Jun 08, 2012
 Post hyst lab tests Part 2
by: Wray

Hi Heather A lack also affects the thyroid, see here, here and here. For more info on vitamin D levels, test kits etc see the Vitamin D Council, GrassrootsHealth, Birmingham Hospital and Vitamin D Links websites. Blood levels should be 70-100ng/ml or 175-250nmol/L and not the 30ng/ml or 75nmol/L most labs and doctors regard as adequate. The minimum daily dose should be 5000iu's per day, although the latest research indicates it should be 10,000iu's per day, see here. Take care Wray
Jun 08, 2012
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by: Heather

Thanks for your advice. I've been taking 500iu vitamin d for a long time now. I guess I will double up. I will also look for more ways to increase my antioxidants. I'm just really at a loss as to why conventional medicine keeps us sick. My doc really cares and is willing to try new things, but conventional medicine gets stuck sometimes (due to the pharmaceutical companies I'm sure)!
Jun 09, 2012
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by: Wray

Hi Heather I'm glad you've been taking some vitamin D, but you will have to do more than double up on that dose. You actually need to take 10 times the amount to get to the 5000iu's now recommended. It's fascinating you should ask why conventional medicine keeps us sick. It's because they look at the body in the wrong way. Firstly they divide it up into little bits, leading to a multitude of 'ologies', ie gynaecology, neurology, rheumatology etc. Secondly they look at symptoms, thirdly they look for pathogens they can hang the blame on. Pathogens are opportunists, they will attack if the environment is weak, the same principle applies in agriculture. If the environment, ie the body in this case is strong, it can withstand much. The body must be looked at as a whole, what caused the symptoms, is it food or drink, pollution, stress, a lack of antioxidants, a lack of sun and more. Food and drink is a major culprit now, we eat so many processed foods, full of sugar or fructose. The medical profession don't look at any of the above. It's now up to the individual to do so, but many don't know all the above can cause illness. You might like to look at this video clip here, it explains what I've been saying. Take care Wray

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