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Progestrone/phytoestrogen

by Bren
(Converse, Texas)

I'm a 55 y.o. female. Had a partial hysterectomy 2000 or 2001, so I do not know where I am on the menopausal bus. I am also hypothyroid and hypoglycemic.

After speaking with our dietitian telling her my symptoms, she mentioned low progesterone. I read a lot about it have many of the symptoms, so after reading reviews of many products, I ordered, (not knowing about Natpro). Since my order came in, I found this site :(, wish it had been sooner!! Lots of good info. here. Reading the label after reading posts yesterday, I found that mine delivers 20mg progesterone and 25mg phytoestrogen, reading the posts low estrogen is not usually a problem. I doubled the dose last night and this morning. I'm concerned tho about the content of estrogen. Since I began using the cream, I have (in a week) busted out of my clothes) I'm being very careful with my diet. Reading the post this a.m. about cells, including fat cells doubling I believe it!! I want to order the natpro. Do I need to continue the one I have until natpro comes in or discontinue and start again?

Thank you for your wealth of information.

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Apr 09, 2011
 While you wait for your order of NatPro
by: Eve

I personally would not take anything knowingly that is adding estrogen to my body. You can buy a progesterone product called "Progest" at your local health food store while you wait for the Natpro. I personally like Natpro better, however the progest does work. The progest has a slight odor and the Natpro does not have any noticeable odor, but in a pinch you do have options. I feel after going through severe symptoms of low progesterone, I can NEVER be without some form in my home, on my person, etc. Good luck! Eve
Apr 18, 2011
 Progestrone/phytoestrogen
by: Wray

Hi Bren Thanks for the kind words. Low oestrogen is very rarely a problem, only if a woman is trying to fall pregnant. Obviously you're not! It's generally too high a level in ratio to progesterone that most people have. Unfortunately a low amount of progesterone, ie 20-40mg/day merely increases oestrogen. As you've noticed elsewhere on the site, oestrogen does cause an increase in fat cells. Plus it causes water retention, which is the reason you've blown up so soon after starting it. Progesterone is such an excellent diuretic it 's now given via IV transfusion to brain trauma victims, see here and here. It seems a pity to waste the cream and the small amount of phytoestrogen for a short time shouldn't affect you too much. I will have to leave it up to you, but you will need to increase the amount if you do. I recommend 100-200mg/day, so to achieve 100mg/day you would need to use 5ml of cream (1tsp) or 10ml cream (2tsp) for the 200mg. I wish it were possible to tell women how much they each need, but I can't, we're all so different. If you do increase the amount of progesterone, please read this page on Oestrogen Dominance first, as it can occur. You might like to see our page on Menopause too. Please consider having a vitamin D test done, a lack of this effects the thyroid, and it could be this is all you need to right it. A low level also reduces the benefits of progesterone, plus it can cause hypoglycaemia and Insulin Resistance. For more info on vitamin D please see the Vitamin D council and GrassrootsHealth websites. This is an excellent video to watch too, see here. Take care Wray
Apr 18, 2011
 While you wait for your order of NatPro
by: Wray

Hi Eve Thanks for your excellent comments, yet again! I do understand your feelings about not adding an oestrogen, but I don't like waste! And feel the low level shouldn't effect Bren too much. But as I'm so behind in answering queries, she's probably followed your advice! Take care Wray
Jun 22, 2013
 Progesterone cream and phytoestrogens
by: Anonymous

Hello Wray,

I have PCOS, I have been experimenting with progesterone for a while now without relief. Originally I followed dr John lee advice at 80/mg a day everyday from days 7-26 but now realise that was too low. I am now using 200/day of Natpro but still don't feel "quite right" I am considering adding in a phytoestrogen cream as my estrogen/progesterone are both low. What would the ratio have to be for progesterone-phytoestrogens if I decide to do this? And can both be taken at the same time?

Thank you
Jun 23, 2013
 Progesterone.estrogen
by: Anonymous

Also I have read that some people will need a small amount of biodentical estrogen to go along with progesterone? is this safe to use along with progesterone? if so how much?

Thank you
Jun 23, 2013
 Progesterone cream and phytoestrogens
by: Wray

Hi there Thanks for trying the Natpro, but you do need more than progesterone to reverse PCOS. I don't recommend taking extra phytoestrogens, besides there isn't a food which doesn't contain them. The following papers list the phytoestrogen content of foods, with seeds, legumes and grains having the highest content, see here. Even foods of animal origin contain them, see here. All oilseeds contain phytoestrogens too. We do have a page on PCOS. It's caused by oxidative stress which needs large amounts of antioxidants to reverse it. Progesterone is essential too as it's usually always low, but it does need help. Although they've told you your oestrogen is low too, it's not the actual amount of each but the ratio of the two which is important. Do you have your test results, or can you get them? If so I can work out the ratio for you. In the meantime you might like to see our page on Saliva Tests. The lab that does them always gives the ratio too. Take care Wray
Jun 23, 2013
 Progester/estrogen balance
by: Anonymous

Thank you for the fast reply! and Yes I am on NAC, TMG ,Inositolvitamin D, although vitamin D seems to make me feel worse. Yes I can try to get the lab reports for you. okay I wont take in any phytoestrogens, but if both estrogen and progesterone are low would biodentical estrogen along with biodentical progesterone to treat it rather than take any more phytoestrogens.

Thank you
Jun 25, 2013
 Progesterone.estrogen
by: Wray

Hi there It's the ratio of the two hormones which is critical, not the amount. Your oestrogen might be low, but if you work out the ratio, you'll find that it will be high compared to progesterone, hence your adverse symptoms. If the vitamin D makes you feel worse when taking it, it shows your magnesium is far too low. Please consider taking 800mg/day for a month or two to get it up, then you could drop down to 250mg/day. Take care Wray
Jun 26, 2013
 progesterone/estriol
by: Anonymous

Currently I am at 200 mg progesterone a day when I add the biodentical estriol is it possible to use less progesterone? and should progesterone always be higher in ratio to esriol? or the same ?
Thank you
Jun 27, 2013
 progesterone/estriol
by: Wray

Hi there I don't see why you want to use oestriol. Please check your ratios first before adding any oestrogen. As I said your oestrogen might be low, but it's the ratio which is critical. To feel well progesterone should always be higher than any oestrogen. Have a look at our Saliva Tests results, the ratio is over 600:1. And oestriol is always low in a non-pregnant woman, as it's the pregnancy hormone. Take care Wray
Jun 28, 2013
 Progesterone/oestrogen
by: Anonymous

Would this mean that 600:1 would be 600 mg progesterone to about 1/4 teaspoon estriol? Also is it possible to still ovulate when taking 200 mg progesterone daily?
Jun 29, 2013
 Insurance
by: Anonymous

Also would I be able to submit Natpro for insurance coverage? Thank you
Jun 29, 2013
 Progesterone/oestrogen
by: Wray

Hi there It seems you don't understand what a ratio is. Please look at the saliva test results, you'll see that the oestrogen in the 'after' test is ±2.8pg/ml and the progesterone is ±3000pg/ml, which gives a ratio of progesterone to oestrogen of 1071:1. This means there are 1071 parts of progesterone to 1 part of oestrogen in the blood of this individual. If you use 200mg/day starting about 5 days before ovulation, then yes it will prevent it. But if you start at ovulation when it should be started then it won't. There's more info on our page How to use progesterone cream. Take care Wray
Jun 29, 2013
 progesterone dose
by: Anonymous

Hello,

I feel very good on 200 mg/daily but does not seem to be resolving hiritism. and seems to be causing long string fine hairs on my face and arms. I have tried increasing the dose but this dose not make a difference
Jun 29, 2013
 Progesterone dose
by: Anonymous

I have been informed that PCOS is not an estrogen dominant disease, is 400 mg daily still necessary? Also by how much can I reduce by is it 16 mg or 100 mg? Thank you Wray
Jun 30, 2013
 Insurance
by: Wray

Hi there We sell the Natpro all over the world, each country has it's own health insurance policies, plus numerous private medical aids. We have no idea what these are, please make enquiries with your own. I'm delighted the 200mg/day is helping you, but not sure how long you've been using it, but please don't expect fast results. Allow for at least 3 to 6 months if you have PCOS. It's caused by oxidative stress, so large amounts of antioxidants are needed to reverse it. You say you are taking the vital ones which is good. As our page on PCOS explains oestrogen can be normal to slightly high, but testosterone, plus blood glucose is almost always high. I don't believe 400mg/day is necessary, but it does depend on symptoms. For instance it does help glucose problems, whereas oestrogen destabilises it, see here. The inositol and vitamin D which you are taking also help stabilise it. Please only start reducing the progesterone once all symptoms have been considerably reduced, and then only by 1/2ml per day, which is about 16mg. Take care Wray
Jul 07, 2013
 Raise or lower progesterone PCOS
by: Anonymous

Hello I have PCOS and am currently on 400 mg daily just recently which is making me very depressed and not myself, My question is do I raise the dose to get rid of the depression or do I lower? Thank you
Jul 08, 2013
 Colostrum
by: Anonymous

Is colostrum safe to take with natpro when I have PCOS. Will it raise estrogens?

Thank you

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