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Progesterone therapy and Lipedema

by Lena
(Germany)

Hi there,

First of all, I want to apologize for any messy English on my part, it's not my first language and even though I understand almost everything and love to hear and speak it, I am not the most accomplished writer.

But I feel that there is a lot of knowledge and experience to find here, so I wanted to ask or just start a conversation that maybe lead to something.

I am a 27 year old woman suffering from Lipedma (I guess stage 1) - an illness that's not widely known. And after years of doing fine with healthy food choices I stumbled upon estrogen dominance or let's say relative progesterone deficit. So I think I don't really have a progesterone deficit, but in comparison to my estrogen level that is the hormone that is stronger in my body.

That was a relevation. All the symptoms I have fit the category.

And I am thinking about trying some experimentaion with progestorone therapy. I am aware that this is not recommended, because messing with hormones can get you in trouble. But the doctors are living in the middle ages where I live, especially concearning estrogene dominance (they still love estrogene for everything here) and are very reluctant to even check your hormone levels.
In combination with Lipedema I feel that there is simply no chance to find a doc who would go this way with me.

So far, I tried taking Alchemilla vulgaris for it is known for it's hormonal harmonisation, but I felt it made all my symptoms worse.
Now I am taking mexican wild yam again (I know that it doesn't contain progestorone or even stimulates progestorone synthesis or something like this). I used to take it a few years ago as an alternative fo birth control and I think I lost some weight during this time. But I've only been taking it for a week or so, so I can't really say anything yet.

Is there anybody who can share some experience with progesterone and Lipedema, or Lipedema related symptomes, like fat gain in calves and knees, or edema in general?
I think it is pretty 'new' to take the progesterone approach to Lipedema, so I'd be really suprised if there is somebody out there with knowledge to share, but I still wanted to ask. Anything can help me and other woman out there understand the mechanism.
And I hope I can use this site to share what I experience during my journey.
I will start very carefully, I plan to even try homeopathic progesterone (it's totally ok if some of you have a sceptical view on homeopathy) before I dip into the progesterone creams.

So, I know this was a wall of text, with not much information and not really a direct question, but I am hoping for more of a wisdom share anyway. Anything can help :)
Thanks

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Aug 13, 2018
 Progesterone therapy and Lipedema
by: Joy

Hi Lena

There is nothing wrong with your English.

If your estrogen is higher than your progesterone then you will certainly be experiencing Estrogen Dominance. If your doctor is not willing to test your hormones you can order tests on line, see ZRT Labs in USA and The Birmingham Hospital in UK.

I don't know much about Lipedema but progesterone therapy may help as it normally counters the inflammatory action of estrogen and is an excellent diuretic and helps edema. If you do decide to try progesterone cream please consider trying a good organic cream such as Natpro which is a 3% cream. Please read How to use Progesterone Cream. If the yam has not been synthesised it will not be a natural progesterone.

Vitamin D3 is very important as a deficiency reduces the benefits of progesterone, optimal range is between 70-100ng/mL. Nothing less than 5,000iu's is needed daily. Co-factors are needed when taking D3, magnesium and vitamin K2 with no soy are the important ones.
Aug 13, 2018
 Progesterone therapy and Lipedema
by: Lena

Hi Joy,

Thank you so much for your getting back to me so quickly.
I am taking magnesium transdermally and regular magnesiumchloride baths. I even take it internally so I hope I am fine with the magnesium intake.
I just started taking vitamin D and K2, but thank you for showing me the connection.

After some more research I even think it would be a bad idea to try the progesterone 'mildly' first as I understood it can make the symptoms worse.
Maybe I will start with the cream you recommend on your site, because it was the only cream I could find with ingrediants I felt good about.

So, let's see. I will try to keep my experience updated, because I think this could be interesting for some Lipedema patients.

Thank you so much!
Oct 28, 2018
 Effect of progesterone on lipedema?
by: Anja

Hi Lena,

I realized last week that I very likely have lipedema too. I also have lots of hormonal issues due to Addison's disease, so I'm especially curious about your experiences with progesterone in general as well as regarding lipedema.

Btw, I'm also from Germany :-)

Anja
Oct 29, 2018
 Re: Effect of progesterone on lipedema?
by: Lena

Hi Anja,

Well, now I feel really weird answering in English, but I want to give other readers the possibility to understand.
I'd be open to information sharing through email, if you're interested :).

So, I haven't written anything so far, because I am still very much in the process of experimenting.

I did take the mexican wild yam in the recommended dosage for birth controle and I can say so far, that a lot of my PMS related symptoms have lessend.
And I didn't experience any period cramps with my last two periods.
So, this is good :)

I don't see any differences in the thigh/calve/knee departement, but my husband claims (he works as a fascia therapist) that my tissue feels softer (in a not so compact way, not the not toned way).
I can't tell if this is because the mexican wild yam, or everything else I am doing.

I am taking progesteronum C30 and c200 and MK1000 (those are different homeopathic agents) and I feel a lot of inner changes due ( I think) to those. And I am pretty sure that these changes will make a difference on another level (my eating habits and so on).
But this is something so huge, I can't possibly share this experience here (and not in English).

I haven't tried progsterone creams yet, because of the economical situation and tolls I would have to pay at the moment (we had this situation a few month ago, where we had to pay huge tolls on an american imported product). And that's ok, maybe this will change, and than I'll try the cream recommended at this site.

So, not that much to tell, I am sorry. But I am still experimenting, maybe there will be more I can share.
Nov 03, 2018
 Email exchange
by: Anja

Hi Lena,

Thank you so much for sharing your experience so far!

An email exchange would be great :-) If you like, you could get in touch with me via bitrephuph@wemel.top (a temporary address for privacy reasons).

Anja
Feb 09, 2019
 Bio identical progesterone
by: Siobhan

Hi there, sorry I’m late to the conversation but hope this helps. I don’t have experience of this disorder but do have experience using bio identical progesterone which cured my fibromyalgia that developed last summer when I hit early menopause.

General medicine doctors couldn’t help me so I did my research - I knew the fibromyalgia was connected to hormone changes - it happened at the same time. So I searched for a cure through hormone supplementation - and found it through a book by Dr Michael Platt https://www.amazon.co.uk/Miracle-Bio-identical-Hormones-Fibromyalgia-Osteoporosis/dp/0977668320/ref=nodl_

Xenoestrogens are to blame for a range of disorders that are becoming more and more prevalent and they create the imbalance to your progesterone levels. You can pay for a Dutch hormone test through a functional doctor but they cost about £400 plus doctor fees so will add up. I couldn’t afford any of this so I just followed Dr Platts advice and my pain went away in less than a week. I order one tub of 10% progesterone cream £22 per month from Onas - I tried a few and found this the best.

You can also email Dr Platt who’ll give you (a very brief) response for free through his website - which is great. He’ll also do a free 15 minute Skype call with you to see if he can help - although further help will cost.

If I had your condition I would read his book, buy the cream and try it.

I hope this helps x
Jun 30, 2020
 Ordering advice
by: Anonymous

Hi. I also need to try the progesterone cream. I suffer lipodema and extremely dry skin. Tiredness and night sweats
Where sand how do I order. I’m I the UK though

Claire
Apr 11, 2021
 Where has your journey taken you?
by: Amber Smith

Can you update us in your progesterone trials and homeopathic attempts. I would really like to know if you have had any success?

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