One more try...

by Miranda Visser
(Leeds, UK)

Maybe I am just too impatient but I have posted something on this forum twice already, asking for help and even though it is helpful to read other people's questions and the answers given, I keep having more questions and would really appreciate some feedback!

I do hope someone can help...thank you!

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Jul 10, 2017
One more try ...
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

I now see another post of yours, I just replied to you first one. Again you give me nothing to work with. What exactly are your symptoms? Please pick one of your posts and keep that one going and kindly advise how I can help you.

Many thanks.

Jul 10, 2017
Thank you
by: Miranda

Hi Joy!

Thank you very much for your reply, I'm happy to know that it works after all and I'm sorry if my tone wasn't very gentle but maybe you can appreciate that my moods are all over the place with the progesterone deficiency (I think..) and I am also quite desperate to talk to someone who understands and has experience with women who are using natural progesterone cream!

I don't know what happened to my first post, in which i explained what my symptoms are and how I got to using the cream.
So I will explain again, as brief as possible...

I am 42, have always had heavy periods (but increasingly so) and troubled skin and within the last year(s) became increasingly nervous and have had trouble sleeping too. Also, I became pregnant for the first time in February and had a miscarriage in week 7. All this and some research let me to believe I have progesterone deficiency (or estrogen dominance) but since I don't really have any money right now, I didn't do a test but just went ahead and started using the cream (maybe very silly but I am quite desperate).

I started using Organic Excellence progesterone cream 2 1/2 months ago and have been using the "traditional" 20 mg twice a day. I have been reading on the forum here that it is not enough, but so far have been too afraid to increase the dose.

However, I was getting so fed up with feeling more and more exhausted and my skin flaring up that I wanted to try increasing the dose and that's when I got in touch here but since my original post somehow didn't make it I just started increasing the amount of cream anyway. I now take somewhere between 100 and 200 mg a day (I find it a bit tricky to know exactly how much I use..), starting about 3 days ago. First of all I felt that I had a bit more energy but now I feel quite drained again....

I hope that is enough information for you to work with for now and I hope you can shed some light on this for me...thank you!

Warm regards,

Jul 11, 2017
One more thing
by: Miranda

Sorry to keep posting but my brain is so foggy that I keep forgetting to say things....

So I am now I think on the 4th day of the higher dose (150-200 gr) and I'm starting to feel very shaky and agitated, no palpitations but it doesn't feel good at all!

Please help, thank you.

Jul 11, 2017
Thank You
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

I tried to do a search on your name and came up with nothing. Often people use Anonymous and of course to try and find that is like finding a needle in a haystack! I understand totally what it feels like when we need someone to off load on when it comes to our feelings and hormones and it is very comforting to know that we are not alone in these feelings, which are normal although somewhat scary at times.

I am so sorry to hear about your miscarriage, which was more than likely due to low progesterone levels, stress can also have a negative effect. There was nothing silly about you staring a progesterone cream without being tested, I did the same and I know many others have too. Where it went wrong for you was the chosen cream and not using it correctly. Excellence has 1500mg of progesterone concentration whereas Natpro has 2000mg. Between 100-200mg per day of Natpro is needed, if using another cream then this amount would need to be adjusted. It takes 2-6 months before benefits are felt, sometimes longer if symptoms are severe, more cream may also be needed as the body adjusts. Just to give you an idea, the late Dr Kittie Dalton used to prescribe 2400mg per day to her patients who suffered from extreme PND, 800mg per day for morning sickness and 1400mg per day is given to patients suffering from TBI. I doubt very much if you would need anywhere near that amount. My advice would have been to start at 200mg of Natpro per day, every day with no breaks at all.

Now you are in Peri-Menopause which brings on a list of challenges as seen on the page listed below. It can be a torrid time for most women, but it need not be with the correct use of progesterone. PM brings on heavy, continual bleeding and clots. The below protocol is excellent for that, perhaps you would like to try it, but it needs to be followed exactly.

•Natpro Progesterone Cream - 400mg to 500mg/per day
•N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) - 2000mg/per day
•Taurine - 2000mg/per day
•Vitamin D3 - 5000iu's per day, more if Vitamin D3 level is low.
•Bioflavanoids - 1000mg/per day

The cream can be applied anywhere on the body and is excellent when inserted in the vagina at night. I can't speak for the cream that you are using though as I do not know exactly what it contains. When inserted in the vagina it helps with dryness and inflammation. I do this every night.

Tiredness could also mean Insulin Resistance, have you by any chance been tested for that?

Vitamin D3, what exactly is your level as a deficiency reduces the benefits of progesterone and is connected to every single cell in our bodies making it vital. Co-factors are needed especially Magnesium Glycinate as this will help with sleep and is best taken at night.

Please read the following pages and the study references papers:

How to use Progesterone Cream

Estrogen Dominance



Vitamin D3




Insulin Resistance

I hope that this all makes sense to you and helps in some way.

Jul 12, 2017
Again ;)
by: Miranda

Hi Joy
Thank you again for your reply!
It was helpful but at the same time made my head spin even more...
I don't understand how my name does't come up, I change the anonymous to Miranda every time I reply and also put my name at the end of the post so i don't see what more I can do but you are getting these posts now so I guess it doesn't matter.
Anyway, I will try to give you some more information about my situation.

I have been using Excellence non-stop until now (2 1/2 months) but until about 5 days ago I was using only 40gr per day. I don't know how low my vitD was exactly but I am using an Ayurvedic cream that gives me 3400 IU but it is hard to know exactly. (I see that is not enough now) I chose to use it because I feel taking VitD orally is too much for my liver...

I have not been tested for insulin resistance. What would happen if I get tested and it turns out I am?

As for PM, I have been having very heavy periods for ages (heavy bleeding with clots), that started already in my late twenties/early thirties (hard to say, it got gradually worse).

I would like to take all those things for PM and would do so in a heartbeat but the thing is, all this stuff isn't cheap and I am broke.
I can't just switch to Natpro and get all the other things too.....I get Excellence here in the UK so that works out a lot cheaper than Natpro I guess and I am also a bit weary of switching....
I hope you understand. I know it's not your problem that I am broke but I just don't know what to do now with all the things you are suggesting.

Peri-menopause also sounds pretty scary to me as I was still hoping to get pregnant again....
I am also quite confused about the amount of Excellence cream I should use now, can't work it out.

Thank you again for your support Joy, at least I feel less alone in this!


Jul 12, 2017
by: Miranda

One more thing, my periods (so far) are still very regular and not light at all! But like I said, they didn't start becoming heavy recently but already have been like that for ages...

I don't know what that means but maybe it helps?


Jul 12, 2017
One more thing
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

I suggest you change your cream and following instructions as given above.

Take care.

Jul 12, 2017
by: Miranda

Hi Joy
So basically what you are saying is the only way I will get better is if I use Natpro....?

I think Organic Excellence is a very good cream but I need to work out how much to use, you don't have any advice on that?

Thank you,

Jul 12, 2017
by: Miranda

Okay so I'm now looking at the difference between Natpro and Excellence and thinking about trying it usually easy to switch...?

Thank you!

Jul 13, 2017
One more thing
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

If you are considering switching, finish what you have, don't waste it, but use more, say another 50mg and see how that goes.

Switching is easy, just finish what you have and replace with Natpro. You may feel a few estrogen dominance symptoms because your body would need to adjust. I suggest, as I always do in a case like this or if one needs a progesterone boost, to rub the entire body with Natpro at night and get into bed. In the morning resume your chosen amount of cream. I actually give myself a boost once a month as I like to make sure that progesterone remains the dominant hormone at all times. Works like a charm for me.

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