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Any *other* sites that support the information given on this site?

by Jo
(Denver)

I really appreciate all the information on this site, as it has helped me as well as many others with answers to questions that doctors seem oblivious to or outright have misinformed/wrong information.

However, as others have also commented in various posts here, it's scary when this is the ONLY resource for information like this -- especially high doses of progesterone, advice against taking any form of estrogen (every other site will insist on HRT, BHRT, etc. and so will doctors), etc.

Does anyone know of any OTHER websites, books, doctors, etc. that support the information found here, as presented by Wray Whyte, et al?

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Aug 15, 2025
 Support
by: Louise King

Yes: Dr Michael Platt's book on Estrogen Dominance. The work of Kitty Martone (Healthy Gut Girl). She has an Estrogen Dominance facebook group which is full of information which supports everything on this site. Also check out Ray Peat. Wray and Joy and all the others who run this site put in so much hard work and everything checks out!
Aug 15, 2025
 Re Support by Louise King
by: Jo

Thank you, Louise! I will definitely look into those references.
Aug 23, 2025
 Supporting high progesterone
by: Anonymous

Also now Dr Lauren Fitzgerald

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1204347701644684/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
Aug 25, 2025
 Re Supporting high progesterone
by: Jo

Does anyone have any references that are NOT Facebook?

I do not use Facebook, at all, ever.
Aug 25, 2025
 Re Supporting info on this site
by: Jo

Update:

-- Dr Michael Platt sells both progesterone AND estrogen supplements, so it would seem he isn't totally in agreement with this site, since everywhere here the advice is to stay away from ALL estrogen supplementation.

-- Kitty Martone (Healthy Gut Girl) seems to focus on gut health, which is extremely important (especially regarding candida), but so far I'm not finding that much from her on progesterone. She also includes quite a bit of religious talk in at least the Audible podcast I listened to (https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kitty-Martone-The-Healthy-Gut-Girl/B0B461SH2T?clientContext=131-7782833-4370448&loginAttempt=true), which some of us find offensive.

-- Ray Peat's website has several self-published books, but little else. All but one of his books are sold out and are not sold anywhere else, so it's difficult to actually read his material.

-- Dr Lauren Fitzgerald talks about prescribing progesterone for women, but also prescribes *testosterone* for women and does NOT prescribe progesterone for men. https://mindpumppodcast.com/2502-hormone-therapy-for-aesthetics-with-dr-lauren-fitzgerald/

While these references may be helpful, they're not exactly what I'm looking for as they seem quite limited and/or contradictory.
Aug 26, 2025
 Jo
by: Justine

Hello Jo,

You have been submitting a variety of questions and comments over various threads.

You have not made it clear what you are actually needing help with.

It is looking very much like you are fishing for information to use for your own publishing purposes perhaps - which is fine, as long as you reference us and provide credit where credit is due. Wray did not sacrifice 40 years of her life and offer all this information for free only for it to be plagiarized and abused.

All your questions can be answered if you would take the time to read all the research papers and the recommended books provided on this website.

If you have been researching this website for the past decade then I am not sure how you could not have found your answers by now.

If you do have a genuine health issue, please defer to a health care provider.
Aug 26, 2025
 Re Justine
by: Jo

"It is looking very much like you are fishing for information to use for your own publishing purposes perhaps - which is fine, as long as you reference us and provide credit where credit is due. Wray did not sacrifice 40 years of her life and offer all this information for free only for it to be plagiarized and abused."

Excuse me? I am trying to solve certain issues for myself, and hopefully help other people find their way through this absolute maze of a website, which I have been weeding through for a decade trying to understand how to resolve my ED symptoms and learn how to take progesterone properly.

"All your questions can be answered if you would take the time to read all the research papers and the recommended books provided on this website. "

I *HAVE* been reading through this site and the research papers, but quite frankly the research papers are gobbledygook for us laypersons and I don't understand them, and the information on this site is an absolute MESS. One thread I started reading began with one subject, then several people chimed in with other questions not related to the original topic, so the topic ended up changing SEVEN TIMES!

What I see is ONE website claiming dosages and giving advice completely contrary to what the medical establishment says -- and believe me, I am NOT a believer in the medical establishment! I have far too much experience with bad doctors and bad advice and doctors who are slaves to Big Pharma and the like who just want to hand out "prescriptions, procedures, and make profit."

All I want to do is resolve my own symptoms but what I get is regurgitated info that Wray --- who I appreciate highly -- gave out years ago, and unfortunately is incomplete. I am autistic so I look deeply into details, and what I've seen in my decade of needle-in-a-haystacking here on this site has been a confusing mess that does, absolutely, have great value but is often vague and difficult to find.

It is regrettable that you somehow think I'm researching some book or something, as that is not the case. I am just looking for answers like anyone else on this site, and was hoping to help others like me who may find searching through this haystack a frustrating experience.
Aug 27, 2025
 Estrogen Dominance
by: Justine

Hi Jo,

Your answers were provided by Joy on a previous thread but I shall repeat it on this thread:

To overcome the excess oestrogen use 100 - 200mg of progesterone per day.
Split the dose so that you take half in the morning and half in the evening to keep levels balanced.
Maintain this dose for one to three months. If you do not find relief from the 100 - 200mg dose then increase it incrementally by 50mg per month. Remain on that dose for a further one to three months.
You can go up to 600mg or more in severe cases.
Pay attention to your own body and how it responds, giving yourself enough time to adjust.

If you do increase up to a higher dose of say 400 - 600mg per day then once your symptoms have balanced out (this could take anywhere from one week to three months or more - it is very much dependent on your personal circumstances and other contributing factors such as diet and lifestyle), you can reduce the amount back down VERY SLOWLY, by about 50mg per month. Reduce back down to 100 - 200mg per day over an extended period and monitor yourself.
If you find symptoms returning then slowly increase the dose again to find what works best for managing symptoms in your own body.

Remember:
Stress depletes progesterone
Progesterone is used less efficiently if you have a deficiency in Vitamin D.
It can take up to 6 months for your symptoms to resolve.
Every body is different, so you need to monitor yourself to know what works best for you. We can only give guidelines.
If you need further help find a naturopath or endocrinologist with specific knowledge of progesterone to help you navigate any changes and fluctuations you specifically experience.


Wishing you well,
Justine
Aug 27, 2025
 Re Justine
by: Jo

Thank you, Justine!

Your response was more thorough and detailed than any responses previously posted to this site and in response to my questions. I really appreciate these additional details, as that was what I was asking in the first place, in order to know when to increase, when to decrease, etc. -- beyond vague statements like "if symptoms are severe" and "when you feel stable," etc. Specific guidelines like, "Remain on that dose for a further one to three months" is HELPFUL and specific, and was not said before. Thank you!


Also knowing how long to remain at the higher dose -- "this could take anywhere from one week to three months or more" -- is extremely helpful. I wasn't sure, despite all my researching on this site. That's why I asked specific questions like, "How long? A week? Two weeks? A month?" etc.

Women like me who come to this site are desperate for answers that we simply cannot get anywhere else. Oh how I *wish* I could just go to a local ob/gyn and ask these questions and they could give me a straight answer that isn't driven by greed and profit, or ignorance at best. I have done extensive research on the local ob/gyns here in Denver and every one that I've found has *horrible* reviews by women who've suffered at the hands of these malpractitioners. Everything from wrong diagnoses to rude/abusive treatment in their offices to unnecessary procedures and on down the line. I'm terrified to have to go to any of them, as my autism already makes things difficult and I've already had several bad experiences with such doctors that left me with trauma I've had to deal with for months or years.

Autistic people like me have a very difficult time with doctors/medical settings in the first place, with all sorts of sensory issues and communication difficulties just to name a few, and in this post-pandemic world the medical industry is exponentially worse than it ever has been. Doctors are now driven by profits over genuine care, and the ones that actually do care are prevented -- by their own admission -- from providing the care that would best help their patients.

I've also tried going the holistic/alternative physician route, but had bad/ineffective experiences there as well. I'm just about out of options, which is why I came here to this website. As I said in one of my other posts, much of the information here doesn't really apply to my situation: I'm postmenopausal and have been taking 300mg progesterone per day for many months (so I'm well past the six months ramp-up). I've been having intermittent spotting, which the last several ob/gyns tried to scare the living **** out of me and strongarm me into biopsies and D&C procedures, likely to be followed with recommending hysterectomy (because that's how they make their money, whether a hysterectomy is needed or not). I've tried the Heavy Bleeding Protocol, which did not work for me.

I am in the process of getting back in shape after many years, so I'm losing weight -- which my research elsewhere (for my own benefit, not any "book" because I'm not writing one nor do I intend to) revealed that burning fat releases stored estrogen into one's system; aka a spike in estrogen. I am also doing candida treatment and a colon cleanse, both of which can affect hormones. It's a lot at once but I'm tired of being tired and out of shape and overweight, and it was all starting to affect my health including my blood pressure, which has always been excellent until recently. Now, with exercise and dietary changes, my blood pressure is well within the excellent range (checked daily).

So I came here looking to see if maybe someone else has face a similar situation, but after hours of reading through disjointed posts that jump multiple subjects, I wasn't finding anything that matched my situation. Most spotting issues are posts by people either still having periods or are perimenopausal, which is quite different.

When I need to know something, I research it heavily -- far more than the average person. It's my autistic nature to want to know *everything*. (As a child I used to read the encyclopedia and the dictionary for fun -- I learned to read and write at age three, an early indicator of my autism.) I need to know specifics, so I know exactly what to do with no guesswork. If I had a local resource such as a holistic doctor, I would definitely consult them, but as yet I have not found anyone. If anyone has suggestions for someone in the Denver/Front Range area, I would love to hear about it.

So maybe you can see why I've been asking so many questions, asking for specifics. I approach things such as this like a scientist, and I am my own guinea pig. There seems no other choice.
Aug 27, 2025
 Followup to Re Justine
by: Jo

Because I appreciate reading other women's experiences, which are often extremely validating for me, I wanted to include a bit my of my own experience here for context. Others may identify with what I've gone through, and/or find it helpful.

At 61, I'm finding today's world difficult to adjust to, especially because I'm autistic with Sensory Processing Disorder (SPD) and Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (MCS). I was raised to believe that doctors were there to help you, to make you better when you were injured or ill. I think that's how it used to be, but it's not that way now. I saw one interview with a doctor who literally said, "I'm not allowed to prescribe certain treatments that I know would help my patients, because I'm forbidden to by the medical industry." Others are limited from speaking out or going against the mainstream because they could lose their license or possibly even their life if they don't comply. This may sound conspiratorial, but I've heard it from doctors' mouths. The rest are either ignorant or else compliant -- willingly or unwillingly -- with Big Pharma's agenda and the strong arm of the insurance companies. Medicine has become the used-car industry of health.

Not long after I began menopause (10 years ago), I had some spotting that concerned me, so I went to a gynecologist. They did an ultrasound and said my endometrium was thickened to 4mm and I had several polyps. I was whisked into the doctor's office and was hit with a barrage of, "We don't like to see the endometrium that thick, so we need to do a biopsy. While we're at it, we should just go ahead and remove those polyps -- it's a simple procedure, under local anesthesia, and you'll be back to work the same day." Blah, blah, blah. She wouldn't let me get a word in edgewise. Her manner was very aggressive and I left there traumatized, feeling invaded by the ultrasound I had not been prepared for (I have sexual trauma from childhood, plus my autism that I didn't even know about at the time). I didn't know what to do.

I sought out a holistic practitioner specializing in women's health. When I told her my experience, she scoffed and said, "That's absurd! There's no need for all that. We can get you on some natural supplements that will help resolve the issue." I came away with some DIM and other supplements, and the issue did indeed resolve. That was also when I found this site and started taking 100mg or more progesterone and went through the 6 months of getting over estrogen dominance.

Things were fine for several years, then I started having abdominal pains, anal itching like crawling bugs, and a bit of spotting, so I made an online appt with the holistic practitioner (who was also a nurse) I'd seen before. This time, she was very clinical, no different than any nurse or doctor in any medical office. She literally laughed in my face when I said my research revealed that parasites can cross the perineum and get into the vagina. (Go look it up.) Her only recommendation this time was, "Go see a gynecologist." An hour and a half of my time and $375 out of pocket for that.

I found what I thought was a holistic physician who uses homeopathics, something I've used for nearly three decades. The visit with him ruled out appendicitis, and after my husband mentioned "it might be gastrointestinal," the doctor said, "Well, it seems to be GI-related." He ordered an ultrasound, "just to rule out any female-organ related issues." Went for the pelvic ultrasound, but when I got there they also wanted to do an intravaginal; I declined, as the mere mention triggered instant panic and tears.

The ultrasound revealed my endometrial lining had thickened to 11mm; radiologist recommended biopsy. "Holistic" physician said, "Go see a gynecologist." He recommended one; she turned out to have nightmare reviews. I switched from the questionable brand of progesterone cream I'd been using over to Natpro, upping my dosage to 300mg/day and two weeks later when I went back for the intravaginal ultrasound, the lining had reduced to 9mm. A 2mm reduction in only a few weeks! So I know progesterone works just as Wray says it does.

Scheduled a biopsy with a gynecologist, but further research turned up awful, awful reviews of nightmare experiences by local women who'd been to see her. GAH! Are there NO decent gynos around here?! Canceled the biopsy. I just couldn't go through that trauma.

Recently I started having heart palpitations but couldn't find what might be causing them. This site says it's estrogen dominance; elsewhere, I found women saying they had become sensitive to progesterone, relaying stories of how even small amounts of progesterone caused severe reactions (this site would say it was stimulating estrogen receptors) ... who to believe? I have yet to find anyone other than Dr. John Lee who talks about progesterone the way this site does, without also prescribing estrogen and possibly testosterone as well (e.g. Dr Lauren Fitzgerald).

Fearing it might be "progesterone saturation" -- which I'm prone to with other supplements -- I started reducing my dosage slowly over several weeks. Then, panicked that it might be oversaturation causing the horrid palpitations that weren't getting any better, I dropped the dosage -- despite I know otherwise -- to 150mg. That triggered spotting.

I came back here to try to find answers. But everything I found had to do with either younger women still having periods (breakthrough bleeding) or perimenopausal women having spotting. No one's situation seemed similar to mine. I asked questions but the responses were mere repetitions of what I'd already read on this site a million times; I needed more specifics. I kept asking but then got accused of suspicious activity, plagiarism, and abuse ... when all I'm trying to do is find answers from the only place I've found that isn't driven by the profit-hungry medical system.

I don't trust doctors. I wish I could find one that I *could* trust. Until I do, I guess I'm just on my own.

This is only part of my story, but maybe it will help someone at least not feel alone. I continue to seek the answers. As an autistic I am often misunderstood and have a hard time communicating, no matter how hard I try. I hope I have been clear in my description of my struggles, and if anyone has gone through something similar and has any suggestions, I would love to hear about it.

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