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(nervous) wreck after 2 months progesterone

Maybe I'm crazy but I actually started using natural progesterone cream without doing a saliva test first....I just read about all the symptoms of having low progesterone and/or estrogen dominance and decided to give it a shot. My periods have always been quite heavy and increasingly so, I've had acne most of my adult life (I am now 42), have been getting increasingly fatigued and foggy brained and had a miscarriage in March. I know I am VitD and iron deficient but I didn't feel those were the only things giving me problems...
I also find it very hard to relax, don't sleep well and I can't even remember when my belly wasn't bloated!

So, about 2 months ago, I started taking Organic Excellence natural progesterone cream. So far, my symptoms have just been getting worse so I started doing some research and ended up on this website where the answer to just about anything seems to be: use more progesterone!

I discussed increasing the amount with the lady from who's website I bought the cream but she didn't think it was a good idea. I'm scared of increasing the amount of cream but I'm also getting so fed up with feeling like a (nervous) wreck!

I should probably mention that I'm using an Ayurvedic VitD cream as well, because I didn't want to take it orally since I feel that my liver isn't too happy either ;)

So I guess that's my story....I really hope someone can shed some light on this for me, many thanks in advance!!

Much love, health and happiness to all who read this <3
Miranda

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Jul 05, 2017
 (nervous) wreck after 2 months of progesterone
by: joy

Hi Miranda

So sorry to hear about your miscarriage. Let's start with your age. You are in Peri-Menopause which starts at around 35 when progesterone levels start to drop. It can be a difficult time for most women but it need not be with the correct use of a good organic progesterone cream such as Natpro. Your monthly periods will soon become erratic and could possibly become heavier than what they are now. You are clearly suffering from Estrogen Dominance hence you adverse symptoms. Excess estrogen can also cause bloating. You might like to try this heavy bleeding protocol should the bleeding become a concern:

HEAVY BLEEDING PROTOCOL
* 400-500mg Natpro Progesterone Cream per day
* 2000mg N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) per day
* 2000mg Taurine per day
* 5000iu's Vitamin D3 per day
* 1000mg Bioflavanoids per day

So many have tried this protocol with huge success and must be followed exactly as stated.

You do not state how much progesterone cream you are using each day, but nothing less than 100mg per day is needed, but I feel in your case you need at least 200mg per day, possibly more. The late Dr Kittie Dalton used to prescribe 2400mg per day to her patients who suffered severe PND and 800mg per day for those suffering morning sickness. TBI patients are given 1400mg per day. I disagree with the advice that you have been given as I doubt very much if you have been using these higher amounts. The cream that you are using contains 1500mg of progesterone concentration where as Natpro contains 2000mg. It takes anything from 2-6 months of the correct use of progesterone before one benefits. If progesterone is not used correctly it will not work.

I am pleased that you are using Vitamin D3, although I have no knowledge of Ayurvedic Vit D. Nothing less than 5000iu's per day is needed, more if really deficient. The main thing is your level, what is it exactly? It should range from between 70-100ng/mL. A deficiency reduces the benefits of progesterone. Co-factors are needed when taking Vit D3, namely magnesium and vitamin K2(MK-7). Are you taking any?

Please read these pages and the references:

How to use Progesterone Cream - https://www.progesteronetherapy.com/how-to-use-progesterone-cream

Estrogen Dominance - https://www.progesteronetherapy.com/estrogen-dominance

Peri-Menopause - https://www.progesteronetherapy.com/peri-menopause.html#axzz2m6SW8qc0

Menopause - https://www.progesteronetherapy.com/menopause.html#axzz2og853i1N

Vitamin D3 - http://www.progesterone-info.com/benefits-of-vitamin-d

Magnesium - http://www.progesterone-info.com/magnesium.html

Miscarriages - https://www.progesteronetherapy.com/miscarriage.html#axzz2pFDbbrgK


Hope this helps you.
Jul 05, 2017
 Nervous wreck
by: Rachel

Hi Miranda! Are you in the UK? You sound British. Sorry if that offends. I am British. Like you, I used prog cream for almost 3 years without testing first, and I found virtually no relief at all. I was 45 when I began.
I gave up about 6 months ago and nothing really changed. Program cream did chill me out a bit I must say. I think it will depend on the strength of the cream you're using too. Natpro is one of the highest, if not the highest.
I say get your hormones checked!
I am still in the dark as to what the hell is up with me. Doctors in the UK are clueless about hormones so unless I pay an absolute fortune, I can't afford to find out.

I agree with you thought, the answer to everything on here does seem to be to use more cream. I bankrupted myself!

Rachel. X
Jul 17, 2017
 Thank you Rachel!
by: Miranda

Hi Rachel

Thank you for your reply to my post, I hope you will see this cos I don't really understand how this works....I only saw your reply by accident because I wanted to see what Joy had written again but I was supposed to get a notification when someone comments on my post...
I am not British but also not offended ;)
I am dutch but I do live in the UK, in Leeds.

I'm so sorry to hear progesterone cream didn't help you. I guess there is often a lot more needed than simply using the cream...I'm getting kind of lost in all the things I should take to make this work!

I am not using Natpro because I started using this cream which is called Organic Excellence, it's all natural and easier to get and I think it is cheaper too but I know Natpro is stronger so maybe not...

Did you ever have problems ordering Natpro, I read somewhere that it is often out of stock?

I am very lost here, don't know whether to switch to Natpro or try to continue with the one I have and try to add all of the other supplements that Joy suggested.

Also, Natpro is kinda vague about the source of progesterone, which concerns me....

Thank you again for your reply Rachel, I hope you will find (another) way to get better and find peace!
X Miranda
Jul 18, 2017
 (nervous) wreck after 2 months of progesterone
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

I am not quite sure where you get that Natpro is kinda vague about the source of progesterone. It has been mentioned and explained many times on this website. Also if you use the search bar, type in your question all the answers appear there.

Progesterone is made from various plant sterols, all plants have sterols which are often called phytosterols. Plants such as the soy bean, Dioscorea species of yams, fenugreek, sisal, calabar bean, some lilies, yucca, some solanum species, maize and many more contain phytosterols. Some of which are stigmasterol, diosgenin, beta-sitosterol, campesterol, hecogenin, sarsasapogenin, solasodine. As these plant sterols have a similar molecular structure to cholesterol, they are used as starting points for the synthesis of progesterone. So the synthesis ends with a progesterone molecule, or molecules. It is only progesterone and can only be progesterone. If it was contaminated with anything else, be it yam, soy or any other plant, it would not be legal to call it progesterone. The bottom line is, it does not matter what plant is used for synthesising progesterone, the end result is progesterone, nothing more and nothing less.

See this one post - https://www.progesteronetherapy.com/soya-bean-vs-wild-yam-as-source-for-progesterone.html

Hope this helps.



Jul 19, 2017
 Still a nervous wreck...
by: Miranda

Hi Joy
Thank you for all the information and support, I just want to say I really appreciate it, especially since you give it all for free!
My apologies if I got a little short in my last reply, I think I just felt overwhelmed by all the information and didn't quite know what to do next...
I still don't really ;) I want to try the protocol you suggested but as of now I have very little money to get all the supplements you suggested and since I couldn't make up my mind about getting Natpro instead of Organic Excellence and I was running out of cream, I just ordered another Organic Excellence one.

I don't feel any better yet and my skin (acne) has gotten worse in the last week even though I am now applying at least 200 mg but I guess because it is Organic Excellence I need to use a lot more...?

I read somewhere in an answer Wray gave someone that if the Estrogen dominance symptoms are very bad you should apply 400mg or more but then she also mentions that this would mean using one tube of Natpro in 4 days....did I understand this correctly..??

Would you do one more thing for me? Please tell me what you think about Organic Excellence's ingredients?

I think that's it for now, thank you again!

Warm regards,
Miranda
Jul 19, 2017
 nervous wreck
by: Rachel

Hi again. Yes, I had chronic problems at time getting hold of it. It was ridiculous and played a big part in me deciding to stop!
Jul 19, 2017
 Forgot 2 things
by: Miranda

Hi Joy
Sorry forgot to say two more things:

I'm going to get my insulin resistance tested and also I have a question about what to do until I can start increasing the dose.

The more I read on this site, the more I feel I need to try Natpro but since I just ordered a new tube of Organic Excellence and don't have money to get more any time soon I am now wondering what to do with the dose....I can't go as high as I should (I'm guessing around 300-400 mg for a while..?) otherwise the cream will be finished within a week so should I keep on the dose i use now (around 200) or should I use less for a while? (this dose is making things worse)

Thank you!
Miranda
Jul 20, 2017
 Still a nervous wreck
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

Bless you, I did not think that you were being short at all, but I had to point out that the search bar can be used for most queries and that at no time was the explanation of where progesterone comes from, vague.

I agree with you totally, there is so much information available on the internet today, not only about progesterone but on so many things as you know. So much of this information is misinformation posted by uninformed people and that would include doctors. It can be very confusing and overwhelming to say the least.

Please read the Acne page which can be caused by too much sugar and high testosterone levels. 200mg would be a good starting point for Natpro Progesterone Cream however, the more adverse symptoms are, the more progesterone is needed to overcome them. You would have to use more of the cream that you are using, say 300mg and see how you get on with that. Don't waste it, use it.

To be honest, advise given by Wray and on this website is based on a 3.33% cream, it was formulated by Wray to cater for exactly what our body needs. So when she said increase to 400mg per day, that would be Natpro. In many cases even more is needed if estrogen dominance symptoms are severe. Once progesterone becomes the dominant hormone the amount used can be slowly reduced to a level that suits you and your symptoms. Where are you living? I am asking because Tubes are not available to order online, we have been out of stock for sometime now. So a Dispenser at 400mg per day would last you 8 days.

Please do not forget Vitamin D3, so many tend to forget this or think that it is unimportant, it is very important as explained already.

Acne - https://www.progesteronetherapy.com/pimple-and-acne-cream.html#axzz2puRu4RXJ
Jul 21, 2017
 Hi Joy!
by: Miranda

Thank you again :)

I'm happy to hear I didn't offend you in any way and you are absolutely right: you can find everything on this site, including where the progesterone comes from, if you take time to really read it...
I am so spaced out and find it so hard to concentrate that doing all this research and trying to work out how much cream I should use is a real challenge!

Additionally, I am so stressed out because I don't have money to actually start using Natpro right now (or to use the cream I have in sufficient amounts) but because I really need to get my progesterone levels up I just got a new job just to make some money, but I feel so wobbly and overwhelmed by everything that this causes me more stress, which in turn is bad for progesterone levels....

I feel caught between a rock and a hard place but I guess something good will come of all this..!

I live in the UK, is Natpro also not available here?

As for the acne, it gets a lot worse before and during (and right now also just after) my period. I don't eat any refined sugars and try to limit eating sweet things and if I do eat them I make sure they have only natural sweeteners. Also, I once did a candida diet (nothing sweet at all) and this didn't cure the acne...

So how do I cure high testosterone? Will progesterone also balance this out?

I've been taking Zinc but nowhere near as much as you suggest so I will get more and take the high dose (I was only taking 15 mg per day).

I know how important Vit D is and I am taking 500IU per day (I think I am anyway, it is a bit hard to know exactly cos it is a cream...)
I am also iron deficient but I can't stomach any of the iron supplements....my guts are a mess anyway and have been for a long time now so that's not helping.

So while I'm waiting to make some money so I can use as much cream as I need (like I said, I'm guessing I will need 400mg or more), would you advise to go on quite a low dose since the in between dose that I was trying (100-200mg) was just making things worse...?

I think that's all for now but I'm sure I will have more questions soon ;)

Thanks again Joy, bless you for doing this!
X Miranda
Jul 22, 2017
 Hi Joy!
by: Mi

Just wanted to mention that I am now also using Reishi powder. I used it before and it helped me a bit then. Do you have any experience with this?

So I was looking at all the supplements you've suggested so far, for heavy bleeding, acne and being pre-menopausal. It looks kinda crazy because if I want to use them all this would be the list of supplements I'd be taking:
-magnesium
-Vit K2
-N-Acetyl-Cysteine
-Taurine
-Bioflavanoids
-Zinc
-Omega 3 fish oil
-Probiotics
-Parasite cleanse

I've had probiotics, parasite cleanse and colon cleanse before and I've also taken fish oil for months and that didn't change much but I've never taken all of these together and don't know if I should.....it looks pretty nuts to take so much and I'm also afraid my liver wouldn't be able to handle it.

I don't know if it makes any sense but in Ayurveda they talk about "the intelligence of the liver" with which they mean how healthy your liver is I think. I don't think my liver is very bright right now....

I'm getting my hormones tested soon, don't know if the regular testing will say anything significant but thought it may help to get things a bit clearer..?

I also asked the doctor for my VitD levels and they were 28 nmol/L I hope that tells you anything...that was back in February, I will have VitD tested again soon.

Talk to you soon Joy, all the best!
X Miranda
Jul 24, 2017
 Hi Joy
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

Please try not to stress so much as stress destroys so many of our nutrients and progesterone levels. I have learned over the years to not stress too much about the things that I can't change. I am quite sure that your new job will work out just fine. Everything works out in the end. :)

I am pleased to read that you do not have a high sugar diet. I suggest that you have your testosterone level tested. I take it that you read the Acne page? Zinc is excellent and also a co-factor for Vitmain D3. You are not taking anywhere near enough vit D3, it should be nothing less than 5,000iu's per day, more if you are deficient. Please consider taking in pill form rather then you will know exactly what you are taking, I can't stress the importance of this. Your stress would have destroyed so much of your D3 level too resulting in not much being absorbed.

Gut issues, please consider eating more fermented veg and try the amino acid glutamine.The brain can use it in place of glucose for energy, it's vital for the immune cells and very healing in the gut. It's the only substance the lining can use for energy, repair and healing. I suggest 500mg per day and see how you get on with that, you can go higher. Try to get in powder form, do not take the caps, as it means your gut has to digest the cap first before you get the benefit of the glutamine. I prefer powders.

I suspect that you do need to use 400mg Natpro per day, you could always try 200mg and see how you get on, but most success stories use between 400-500mg per day until things clear up.

I have to admit that I have no knowledge of Reishi powder. If it helps you then great.

Your list of supplements are good, but what about Vitamin D3. Is the parasite cleanse really necessary? To save money, make your own fermented veg, the probiotics that they contain run circles around OTC ones, are better. Sauerkraut is considered the best. Or Kefir milk/water. You need these nutrients and your liver will handle it, why would it not? You only have to read the Vitamin D3 page given to you to realised that 28nmol/L is chronically low which is what I suspected.

Take care.
Jul 25, 2017
 Mi again ;)
by: Miranda

Hi Joy,
Thank you :)
I know...stress is the worst but after years of living like this, with this, it's become a real habit (I would even go as far as to say addiction, if you know what I mean) that is hard to break. But I am trying.

I would love to get all of the supplements you suggest, also the amino acid glutamine, but like I said, right now I just don't have the money...
It's a real mess right now cos the Organic Excellence cream I ordered hasn't arrived yet and my old one is finished so I now find myself without any progesterone cream and when I have the new one I can't make the dose high enough because otherwise the cream would be finished in no time and I have no money to get more.

So what do you suggest as far as that goes, when I get more Organic Excellence, how much should I use until I have the financial means to apply 400 mg or more...?

I did get magnesium though. I got the chelated magnesium from Solgar, which says it has biglycinate in it, hope that's okay...?
I will try to get some VitD pills as well but I am also quite confused about that because some say pills are better and other say capsules or liquid is better....what is your experience?

Even though I can't get any Natpro for now, I am wondering if it is available in the UK right now?

Thanks again for all of your help Joy, it makes me feel very supported!!

X Miranda
Jul 25, 2017
 Me again
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

Unfortunately I can't supply an email address on this website as we are caution of spam etc. Please contact me via my own website and I will put you in touch with someone who can possibly help you.

Hang in there.

Contact Joy - http://www.progesterone-info.com/contact-us.html
Jul 31, 2017
 Hi Joy
by: Miranda

I didn't see your comment until today....
I will contact you on your own website then, thank you!
X Mirandagoldin
Jul 31, 2017
 Hi Joy
by: Miranda

Unfortunately, the link to your website isn't working....
So I finally got my new Organic Excellence today but my old one was finished days ago and I'm now thinking it's probably best not to use any progesterone cream until I can afford the high dose, would you agree?
I will try to find your website without the link....
Thanks,
Miranda
Jul 31, 2017
 Hi Joy
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

Sadly my website experienced server problems and was down for 3 days, it is up and running now. I would like to put you in touch with someone in the UK.

Successful results for heavy bleeding are definitely achieved by using the protocol as stated. You could try using less, but you do need to use much more cream with the one that you are using. The lower amounts will help with your other ED symptoms, but you really do need higher amount for the bleeding.

Take care.
Aug 02, 2017
 Hi Joy
by: Miranda

Are my comments not coming through...?
I hope to hear from you again soon!
X Miranda
Aug 03, 2017
 Hi Joy
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

I am receiving your comments here Miranda, where else are you commenting? I must admit that I do not know what else to say. I offered to put you in touch with someone in the UK and to contact me via my website. Last I looked there was no message from you. My last message to you was on the 31 July where I advised that the heavy bleeding protocol needed to be followed otherwise you may battle getting rid of your heavy bleeding.

Take care.
Aug 03, 2017
 Hi Joy
by: Miranda

Thank you, I'm not commenting anywhere else but didn't get a response to my last couple of posts until today....I tried to go to your website but the link you sent doesn't work, would you please just tell me what your website is called so I can just find it myself...? I think that would be the best option.

Thank you again,
X Miranda
Aug 04, 2017
 Nervous wreck
by: Rachel

Because you're in the UK like me, and you will be aware of the woeful lack of support for women like us, I have been alerted to a site that could help somewhat. menopausesupport.co.uk
Aug 05, 2017
 Hi
by: Miranda

Hi Joy
I just found your post from the 31st in my spam folder and can't open it anymore...but that explains why I didn't get it at least.

I hope you will still give me the name of your website so I can talk to you directly, I would greatly appreciate it!
Thank you :)
Aug 05, 2017
 Hi Rachel
by: Miranda

Thanks for that!
Good luck on your healing journey.
X Miranda
Aug 07, 2017
 Hi
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

I gave you my website address further up on this thread, please look at my reply to you dated the 25 July 2017 but here it is again.

Contact Joy - http://www.progesterone-info.com/contact-us.html

Take care.
Aug 07, 2017
 Hi
by: Joy

Hi Miranda

Success at last!! I have just emailed you, if not received, please check you junk folder. So many of us tend to forget checking it. I have put you in touch with Jules van Schalkwyk.

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