Burning tongue and excessive saliva

by Lisa
(Montreal)

Hello, I posted on this site and ordered the product and was very satisfied. I did not replenish my order once my 3 tubes ran out. My hot flashes are now subsiding and I did not feel the need to continue. I now am experiencing very strange symptoms and am wondering if they are related to menopause. In August I started to get a burning sensation on one side of my tongue it now has spread to the other side and in the middle also. The burning comes and goes so I did not worry to much about it but in the last 2 weeks I am secreting so much saliva that I have to spit it out and it tastes very acidic and smells awful. Again this does not happen every day but when it does I find it very uncomfortable and am wondering if it is an hormoranl issue related to menopause. Does anyone else out there experience this, I am 53 and have stopped menstruating now for 3 years. I have searched the internet and they do mention burning tongue as a menopausal symptom but the excessive acidic saliva is never mentioned, should I be concerned.

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Oct 07, 2013
Burning tongue and excessive saliva
by: Wray

Hi Lisa I'm glad you liked the cream and it helped you. No one seems to know the cause of burning tongue syndrome (BTS). These are a few sites with info on it, see here, here and here. It does appear to be more common in women who are stressed. But as it affects more women than men, and it's more prevalent during the last three years of Peri-menopause and into Menopause, than during our earlier years, this makes me suspect oestrogen, it's an excitatory, inflammatory hormone. There are ample nerve fibres in the tongue containing substance P. This is a nociceptive neuropeptide, causing pain and nausea. No one seems to know why substance P is in the neurons, but one study concludes "These data suggest that substance P may play a role in taste and/or in oral pain", see here. Oestrogen appears to amplify it's signal, whereas progesterone decreases it, see here. But substance P suppresses progesterone, see here. Although progesterone does suppress substance P, but only if enough is used, see here. The paper says "Accumulating evidence indicates that the neuropeptide substance P is predominantly involved in neurogenic inflammation and pain perception...... Intriguingly, decreased pain sensitivity is found to be associated with high plasma progesterone levels. We hypothesize that progesterone may attenuate nociception and associated inflammatory response." Mood changes, especially Anxiety and depression have been consistently found in people with BTS. This is again indicative of high oestrogen, low progesterone. Another interesting feature is a disturbance in taste, this could be due to a lack of zinc. And a lack of zinc has been found in people with BTS. Oestrogen suppresses zinc, and increases copper, progesterone raises zinc and suppresses copper. Copper can cause severe depression and psychosis. Continued below

Oct 07, 2013
Burning tongue and excessive saliva Part 2
by: Wray

Hi Lisa There is evidence that excess copper can cause ptyalism. vitamin D is a potent anti-inflammatory and analgesic, magnesium is an analgesic too. Low magnesium will cause pain. Studies have discovered magnesium depletion allows substance P to increase, and subsequently inflammatory cytokines to increase too, see here and here. Magnesium is the most important co-factor for vitamin D, an imbalance between the two causes pain. Please consider taking some if you're not. Progesterone lessens the Stress response, but if we're stressed, the level drops. These are a few more papers on BTS, see here, here and here. Excessive saliva is called ptyalism, it can occur in the first weeks of pregnancy, which is a result of changing hormone levels. Progesterone is increasing, but in doing so it stimulates oestrogen with all it's attendant symptoms. It's not until progesterone levels rise and suppresses the oestrogen, do the symptoms go. This paper here says "the patients always complain of bad taste". This is another paper here. This is a general overview of ptyalism. And another here. You could try progesterone again. But please add 100mg/day zinc, plus 5000iu/day vitamin D and 800mg/day magnesium for a month, and see if this helps. Take care Wray

May 08, 2018
Burning mouth
by: Joan

My dentist thinks I have burning mouth syndrome and have had it for 4 months! May I say it is painful and by the end of the day, my mouth and jaws are really hurting.

I am a breast cancer survivor and at the moment take 2.5 mg Letrozole, an estrogen inhibitor to help prevent a cancer reoccurance! I am 65 yrs old and yes, my cancer was estrogen driven:(

Anything I can do to help this pain? My dentist has me taking
Lipid Acid but so far is not helping.

May 09, 2018
Burning Mouth
by: Joy

Hi Joan

Other than what Wray has advised above I can't offer any other advice. You might like to try using a good progesterone cream to see if that will help with the pain.

Please read these pages.

How to use Progesterone Cream - https://www.progesteronetherapy.com/how-to-use-progesterone-cream.html

Estrogen Dominance - https://www.progesteronetherapy.com/estrogen-dominance.html

Menopause - https://www.progesteronetherapy.com/menopause.html

Oct 04, 2020
outcome
by: Anonymous

I wanted to write and find out if Lisa had any good results concerning her condition. I have had the same problem and it is very irritating and unpleasant. I wanted to know if any of the supplements and or cream helped.
Thanks

Jan 06, 2022
Excessive saliva
by: Anonymous

I also have had excessive saliva for 9 months. I have had to dig deep to find this. But I am glad to have found this. Everything you find on the internet is you are dying. I am 52 and have not had a period for a year now so I am suspecting hormone related but don't know what to take to stop the excessive saliva. It is very very very annoying. I am going to try the vitamins prescribed on this thread. I'm assuming once people stop having these symptoms they forget to come back and update what has helped them.

Jan 06, 2022
Excessive Saliva
by: Joy

Welcome to Progesterone Therapy's website and forum. I often advise people to be very careful where they get their information from. Blogs, the internet including Facebook are rather misinformed about the benefits of progesterone. Even medical professionals provided misinformation. It can be very confusing. If progesterone is not used correctly it will not work, many blogs etc provide misguided information which results in progesterone not working. People then think progesterone doesn't work, it does.

I can't add anymore to what Wray has advised on this thread. Excessive saliva clearly appears to be a hormone issues as Wray mentioned. Progesterone is needed to help ease or stop this. Please consider using a good quality progesterone cream such as Natpro which is a 3.33% cream. Information on this website is based on a 3.33% cream, anything else used, then the amount needs to be adjust accordingly.

You can't go wrong by taking the nutrients mentioned especially Vitamin D3, magnesium and Vitamin K2. D3 helps the body to absorb the calcium that it needs. Magnesium and K2 help to direct the calcium to the correct places in the body and to keep it there. Calcium doesn't build bones, D3, mag and K2 does.

You are also in Menopause so you are experiencing major hormone changes in your body which again points to excessive saliva being a hormone issues. It appears to affect some women, others not.

I would also love it if people would follow-up and tell us what worked for them and what didn't. Feedback is so beneficial to us at Progesterone Therapy as well as those reading it.

I hope your situation gets resolved quickly.

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