Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue

by Emily Jones
(Birmingham, Alabama, United States)

Hi Wray,
I just recently found your site, but I've been reading it almost non-stop. I love that you're a patient yourself and have done so much to help others. I always find that the patients are the ones with the best knowledge (instead of the doctors)! The info you have provided is wonderful and I'm so thankful for someone who is outside of the "norm." Unfortunately the norm doesn't really help too many people! I am hoping you can help me. I am 30 and live in the United States in Alabama. I believe I have been estrogen dominant since puberty. I started my period at age 10 - much too young. I had horrible PMS symptoms my whole life - both physical and emotional - bloating, debilitating cramps, headaches, insomnia, breast tenderness, muscle aches, increased hunger and craving for sugar, breakouts on my face before my period and keratosis pilaris that started at puberty, chelosis, plus mood swings, short temper, irritability, sadness, etc. I was even diagnosed with PMDD. My hair started to turn gray in my early 20s and I dye it now. Large amounts also come out in the shower. I took Yaz, a birth control, for 4 years to help my symptoms and it did help at first. But I regret ever taking it! I have been off of it now for 2 years. Since then I have been diagnosed with adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism; however, I believe that my main illness is and has always been estrogen dominance. My mom, twin sister and younger sister all have it as well along with the hypothyroidism and adrenal fatigue. I have been treated with Cytomel for the hypothyroidism and hydrocortisone for the adrenal fatigue. I have seen some improvements, but not nearly what I had hoped for. I believe the reason that I haven't gotten all the way better is because my underlying problem, estrogen dominance, has not been addressed. Earlier this year (Feb. 2013), I increased the Cytomel (T3 only) to a pretty high dose but eventually started seeing a worsening of some symptoms including very dimply belly and thighs (like cellulite but worse - all over my thighs front to back and top to bottom). My belly, hip and thighs also increased in size even though I've never gained weight unevenly before in only my lower half - if I've gained weight in the past it's always spread evenly over my body. I felt very matronly and my whole shape had changed. Plus my body was more fatty and less toned than ever before. Despite diet and exercise I have not been able to lose any weight - not even 1 ounce. And my ability to exercise has been really compromised - I just don't have the stamina or strength that I used to even though I used to be in excellent shape and worked out regularly! Does ED make it difficult to work out? I read that a T3 regimen can cause your estrogen to increase, so I think that is exactly what happened. Despite my face and upper body looking better and less puffy due to the treatment of the hypothyroidism, I got worse in other ways. So I cut back on the Cytomel in July of this year and slowly I did feel better. The dimply thighs have gotten better thankfully. Unfortunately about a month before I began cutting back on the Cytomel, I started on bioidentical compounded progesterone cream (end of May 2013). My doctor prescribed 20 mg daily from day 12-26 of my cycle. I used the cream in the morning. He also prescribed a 100 mg pill to take each night. Immediately my symptoms got worse (not surprising). I gained 5 lbs of water weight that I cannot get off. I am puffy and clearly retaining water all over from my face all the way down, but the worst of it is in my belly. It is huge and swollen and full of water - like a water balloon. It is so miserably uncomfortable and so awful looking - I literally look 6 months pregnant. My face looks terrible because it's so puffy and you can't see my collar bones because of the water retention. I stopped taking the progesterone after 3 months (July 2013) and after some time, I am feeling better.

I know that I need the progesterone and I know that what I took before was just too low of a dose to overcome the estrogen dominance and in fact it actually made it worse. I am ready to start on progesterone cream again and to take a much higher dose. I am just nervous that I will get worse again and not better and I cannot stand for that to happen. I have been so miserable and just want to finally be well! I am not married, but I hope to meet someone and marry soon and I want to be able to have kids so I don't want to do anything to mess up my cycle too much. How much progesterone cream would you suggest I start with? Should I use it straight through my whole cycle or not? If I start to see a worsening of my ED symptoms, should I increase my dose? To how much? Or should I just wait a little longer at the initial dose and see if my symptoms get better with time? Does it take time and a high dose to overcome the ED or just a high dose? I just want to know what to expect and how soon I might can expect to see some improvements. I am particularly wanting the water retention to go away - I can wait for the other symptoms to improve, but I want that gone ASAP.

Also can the progesterone convert to cortisol? Should I be on the lookout for that? I don't want to throw my other hormones out of whack, especially since I'm taking hydrocortisone and Ctyomel. Eventually I would like to be off both if the progesterone helps, but what should I do initially?

I know you are big on Vitamin D and I am definitely deficient. My number was originally 26 when I got tested. After supplementing with 5000 IUs daily it got to 84, but has never gone higher. I did a Spectracell test (they test what is actually inside the cell not just in the blood) and I still showed a Vitamin D deficiency along with several others - magnesium, many of the B vitamins, vitamin C. I have supplemented with them all at times, but not seen much improvement. I've even had IV vitamin and nutrient infusions (magnesium, vitamin c, b vitamin, etc.) and didn't notice much of a difference. I try to get regular amounts of sun without using sunscreen and I tan easily, but then it fades almost immediately! But it didn't used to - I used to stay tan. I have also taken DIM and it didn't seem to help a ton, but I started it almost simultaneously to the progesterone cream so maybe it was just not able to help in light of the worsening estrogen dominance.

Any help you can give would be great! Thanks so much! Emily

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Sep 17, 2013
The Hypothyroid Part
by: Jo

Hello Emily,

I just read your post and it is clear that you are going through quite a bit of distress due to oestrogen dominance.

I have come across a brilliant site that explains how excess oestrogen can cause hypothyroidism and hashimotos. Plus that the hypo person cant store adequate amounts of glycogen in the liver and muscles - therefore we are generally fatigued. Plus that excess oestrogen is debilitating to the liver, and oestrogen is sent out to the digestive system by the liver to be eliminated - which causes digestive upset.

Just wanted to let you know about it as you might be able to find more pieces that fit the jigsaw towards understanding what is going on.

The site is: www.hypothyroidismrevolution.com

While that can help you to deal with the overall effects of excess oestrogen's punishment on your body (hypothyroidism etc), this site 'Progesterone Therapy' can help with the oestrogen dominance itself.

All the best and hope you find what you need to get back in balance.

Both sites have helped me a great deal and I am slowly starting to feel better and to have some energy.

Cheers,
Jo.


Sep 22, 2013
Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue
by: Wray

Hi Emily Well I immediately thought of a vitamin D deficiency, from early puberty which it causes. There's more info on our Menstruation page. It was seriously low at 26, but now you say it's 84. That was a remarkable boost on only 5000iu per day, I've usually found it needs more to get it high. Please confirm it was done in ng/ml and not nmol/L, some labs in the States use nmol/L. If they tested the vitamin D in the cell this was most probably 1,25OH D3, the hormone. So there goes my explanation of your current symptoms! Unless you haven't had the 84 level for long? If this is the case then it does need time to adjust things. A lack also reduces the benefits of progesterone, so I was going to suggest you got it up high before attempting to use progesterone again. Magnesium is the most important co-factor for vitamin D, it's best to get it high too. I suggest trying 800mg/day for a month or two before reducing to about 250mg. Or have you tried this much before? Magnesium is also absorbed through the skin, consider having a bath with Epsom salts in it. You'll need about 400g in a standard 60L bath, see here. The added advantage of Epsom Salts is it contains sulphur, which is also absorbed through the skin. Natural sulphur is a potent antioxidant and one of the most healing of all minerals. But you do have a progesterone deficiency. Your symptoms speak volumes..... "bloating, debilitating cramps, headaches, insomnia, breast tenderness, muscle aches, increased hunger and craving for sugar, breakouts on my face before my period and keratosis pilaris that started at puberty, chelosis, plus mood swings, short temper, irritability, sadness, etc." I would suggest nothing less than 400mg/day, you might need more. Please see these comments here, here, here and here for encouragement. And this one here too. Progesterone is an excellent diuretic, see our page on Traumatic Brain Injury for more info. Continued below

Sep 22, 2013
Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue part 2
by: Wray

Hi Emily It also prevents cramping, either that of labour or before bleeding, see here and here. We have a page on headaches and Migraines, and another on Breast Tenderness. Iodine is often short, particularly as you have a thyroid problem too, see Breast Cysts.
Oestrogen is an inflammatory hormone, which could account for the muscle aches, low magnesium can cause this too. Oestrogen also destabilises blood glucose, see here. High testosterone initiates break outs and Acne, see here. If bound to SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) testosterone becomes inactive, progesterone raises levels of SHBG, see here, so preventing the rise of free testosterone and severe PMS. Lack of vitamin D can be a cause of insomnia, see here and here. Progesterone can help too, see here. I would suggest taking 10,000 iu vitamin D per day and see if that helps. Cortisone causes water retention and bloating, have you tried stopping that? Or reducing it. Although the adrenals make progesterone to convert into cortisol, using high amounts of progesterone will not convert it into more. In fact because progesterone is so calming, it gives the adrenals a break from the stress. So it has no need to make so much. It's puzzling you tan, but don't keep it. Could it be you are not making enough p53, or that perhaps it's inactive? It's this gene which starts the tanning process, see here and here. Continued below

Sep 22, 2013
Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue part 3
by: Wray

Hi Emily This is the paper the last one above refers too, see here. Progesterone activates p53, see here. Or could it be because you don't have enough tyrosine, this is the precursor to melanin, our skin pigment, melanin also increases under sunlight. It's hugely protective against sun damage. Although a non-essential amino acid, tyrosine is one of the most important. It's the precursor to the neurotransmitter dopamine, and the stress hormones adrenaline and noradrenaline. It's also the precursor to the two thyroid hormones T3 (triiodothyronine) and T4 (thyroxine), plus melanin, the pigment found in hair and skin. It's part of the enkephalin peptide involved in regulating and reducing pain, and increasing pleasure. Tyrosine is essential for any stressful situation, cold, fatigue, emotional trauma, prolonged work, sleep deprivation, it improves memory, cognition and physical performance, and is used for weight loss treatments. Lack of protein and stress lower tyrosine levels, with a subsequent reduction in dopamine. Dopamine is essential for motivation and vitality, it's also essential for a normal sexual response. A drop in dopamine increases levels of Prolactin, the hormone of lactogenesis, but also an inflammatory hormone. Increased prolactin causes a drop in Libido. Acute, uncontrollable stress depletes dopamine, leading to depression and a rise in cortisol and prolactin, tyrosine reverses this. The rate limiting step in dopamine synthesis is the enzyme tyrosine hydroxylase. Insufficient levels of vitamin D inhibit tyrosine hydroxylase, resulting in a disturbance in the dopamine pathway. The dopamine pathway requires the progesterone receptor. Continued below

Sep 22, 2013
Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue part 4
by: Wray

Hi Emily So it could be you're short of tyrosine, iodine too. And strange to say it, vitamin D, see here, here, here, here, here and here. Maybe you could try these, get your vitamin D up higher, and only then try the progesterone again. But please use sufficient when you do. Take care Wray

Sep 26, 2013
Re: Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue
by: Emily

Jo, thank you so much for you comment! I can't wait to check out the site that you sent me. I appreciate the response!
Emily

Sep 27, 2013
Re: Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue
by: Anonymous

Wray, thank you so much for your detailed reply! I appreciate hearing from you so much! I am making my way through all the info and recommendations that you shared.
Couple of quick questions and comments - is there a certain type or even brand of magnesium supplement that you recommend? Chelated, etc? I don't know exactly what to take. I love Epsom salts and use them in certain situations, but I am not a bath person, so soaking in them on a regular basis isn't really an option. But I do know that I am magnesium deficient, so I think it could help. At one point I was getting IV infusions that included magnesium, but that is just too cost prohibitive to do on a regular basis.
To confirm one question you asked, yes the D3 was measured in ng/mL. And it was at 84 and had been there for a long while before I began the progesterone cream. I have now upped my dose to 10,000 IUs daily but my D3 level had dropped to 50 ng/mL because I ran out of the D3 supplement that I was taking, but I hope that it will rebound quickly.
I am going to use 400 mg per your recommendation. Should I use it in connection with my cycle (ie, days 14-26 approximately)? Most months my cycle is 28 days although in the last 6 months I've had a couple that were longer - 30 and 35 days, but those were the exception. Or should I use it for more than those 12 days? Should I start as soon as my period is over? Or should I just go straight through the month? Should I use 400 mg the whole time or should I use a lower dose during my period (assuming I have one at all if I use it straight through)? Don't know if I mentioned it the last time, but my periods have been exceptionally light in the last few years - more so than they were before. I have both blood and saliva testing and my progesterone is always too low no matter what time of the month it is.
If 400 mg turns out to be a sufficient dose for me, how quickly should I start seeing an abatement of my symptoms? I read one woman's testimonial on your website (labeled Hot flushes, PMS, Bloating & more) who said that when she increased her dose, she immediately started passing the excess fluid she had been retaining. Do you think I can expect the same thing? Would that be a good sign that I've found the right dose? Should it happen immediately or will it take a few months to kick in? Do you think I will retain fluid again once I go off of the progesterone cream (if I use it for 12 or so days of my cycle and stop for the other half of my cycle)?
Have you ever heard of anyone's gray hair turning brown (in my case) again after the use of Natpro? I am hoping for that! See below for more…

Sep 27, 2013
Re: Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue
by: Anonymous

Part 2 of my comment to Wray...

Don't know if I was clear, but my cortisol is very low - almost flat-lined throughout the whole day (not highest in the morning like it should be), so in my case it is too little cortisol not too much. I weaned off the hydrocortisone at one point and my adrenal fatigue symptoms returned so for now I feel SO MUCH BETTER on the HC. It is a physiological dose (ie, a dose that mimics what should normally be in our bodies daily - although in my case it's not a full replacement dose, actually less) rather than a therapeutic dose (much higher than normal levels that some docs prescribe for injuries or illness, etc) so I am just trying to keep my levels normal rather than in excess. It is the therapeutic doses which can cause so much harm, but usually the physiological doses are actually very beneficial and not harmful when someone has adrenal fatigue. I'm hoping that the progesterone will in fact help give my adrenals a break like you mentioned and down the road hopefully my adrenals will work again on their own the way they should and I can get off the HC.

I'm intrigued about the p53 - never heard of it. But I am hoping that my "tan" will stick around the way that it used to instead of immediately fading.

How do you recommend supplementing tyrosine? I think I used a spray that I sprayed in my mouth under my tongue for a while, but didn't notice much of a difference with it.

Thank you so much for all of your help! It is invaluable! Emily

Sep 29, 2013
Re: Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue
by: Wray

Hi Emily Thanks, I did give you rather a mouthful! Chelated magnesium is good, so too are the citrate and chloride forms. Or you can make a 1% or 2.5% magnesium solution then spray it on your skin, this is effective too. I would use the Epsom Salts for this, it is cheap too. It contains sulphur, a powerful antioxidant and one of the most healing of all minerals. It's also absorbed across the skin, see here. And all your questions! With all those symptoms I would really recommend using that amount all month with no break. I've found younger women, i.e. in their twenties with mild symptoms can follow their cycle. I can't answer how long it will take. For instance my hot flushes went in 10 days, but it took a full 6 months for all the other symptoms to go. Some women have had to use amounts in excess of 1000mg/day for over a year before they felt normal again, see here, here,here, here and here. It varies with each individual. Fluid loss is only one good sign, it could be others have gone, and you've been waiting for the oedema to go and miss them. it's when all symptoms have gone you can relax! And then begin reducing. One man found his hair returning to it's previous colour, I've not heard of anyone else. Seems you've reached the adrenal exhaustion stage of Stress! I do hope the progesterone helps it. I know one doctor believes low dose hydrocortisone is an excellent thing, he feels most of his patients should be on it. I generally take tyrosine in powder form, it's cheaper! A spray would be good but far more costly. And it was probably not giving you enough. I suggest starting on 100mg/day, if nothing happens increase by another 100mg/day. Continue like this until you feel some response. You'll know when you've had too much as the symptoms you're trying to combat come back. Let me know how you get on. Take care Wray

Oct 14, 2013
Re: Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray! I have been using the progesterone cream again since Sept. 20th. I first started using 120 mg daily - the amt. prescribed by my doctor but quickly jumped up to 400 mg. Not long after that I began using even more - I'm not even measuring it at this point. I would estimate it to be well north of 500 mg probably even north of 700 and maybe as high as 1000. I would be willing to use more but I just don't have enough between the amt. my doctor prescribed and the natpro cream which has been out of stock. My point being that I am using a lot! Unfortunately I have seen my estrogen dominance get worse - I've gained 4 lbs of water weight and I feel bloated all over. My hair is coming out in shocking amounts - even when I just stand under the running water in the shower, a clump of hair runs down my back. Then more of it comes out when I actually wash my hair and then again when I comb it out. It's much worse than its ever been! I am also not sleeping well. My hypoglycemia has worsened and I've had to increase my hydrocortisone dosage as a result. I'm continuing the 10,000 IUs of Vitamin D3 - my numbers came up very quickly before on only 5,000 IUs so I would expect my numbers to be decent even if they're not all the way to the ideal level. Does all of this mean that I need an even higher amount of progesterone? I know it will just take time for some of my symptoms to go away, but I didn't expect to get worse in the meantime. If I'm experiencing any level of worsening symptoms, does it mean that I'm not using enough? Please help!! I am miserable!
Thanks,
Emily

Oct 15, 2013
Re: Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue
by: Wray

Hi Emily I don't think you need to increase the amount, unfortunately I think it's just time you need. You've only been using it since Sept 20th, which is ± 25 days. I see you mention hypoglycaemia which you haven't done before. It sounds as if you could have Insulin Resistance, it does cause weight gain which is impossible to loose unless the IR is reversed. A disturbed blood glucose and insulin is part and parcel of IR too. There are many nutrients which help reverse it. One of course is vitamin D, but your level was good. The other and to my mind almost more important is inositol. It helps sensitise the body to insulin so less is needed, i.e. it won't shoot up causing a hypo state. Plus it's excellent for hair loss, in fact it's called the anti-alopecia vitamin. Please consider taking at least 4000mg/day. Amounts of 18g/day have been given to OCD patients with no ill affect, so it's remarkably safe. I feel you lack it, as most of us do. I take 4000mg/day, and have for over 5 years now as I believe I have or should say had IR. I normally have lovely thick hair, but went through a period when I didn't take the complex, and I found it suffered! I did mention iodine before, has anyone checked your levels? I've just had a test done but still waiting for results, I believe I'm short of it. Please get them to check this. If there's a deficiency, it causes the pituitary to increase TSH output. All this hormone does it try to kick start the thyroid into making T4, it's usually only these hormones that are checked, never the cause which is insufficient iodine. A lack of T3 and T4 not only affects metabolism, but cause hair loss too. Please get them to check it. These are some papers you could read on iodine here, here, here, here, here and here. Let me know what they find, and if the inositol helps at all. Take care Wray

Oct 21, 2013
Re: Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue
by: Anonymous

Thanks, Wray. I appreciate all your help and feedback. I actually had my inositol levels tested and they were good. I don't have insulin resistance either, thank goodness! The hypoglycemia is a symptom of the adrenal fatigue. Cortisol is critical to keeping your blood sugar levels stable. In my experience, it seems as if the worsening estrogen dominance has added stress to my body thus resulting in a worsening of my adrenal fatigue symptoms (including the hypoglycemia). With the added stress, I've needed more hydrocortisone to compensate. I do have hypothyroidism and have had all the tests done (FT3, FT4, RT3, thyroid antibodies, etc.). I take Cytomel - which is just T3 - so there is no longer any conversion happening from T4 to T3. My hair loss got dramatically worse with the worsening estrogen dominance so that seems to be the cause.

Anyways, the reason I'm writing today is because I started my period today - exactly day 28 of my cycle - despite continuing on very high levels of the progesterone cream. Most recently my doctor wrote me a prescription for 250 mg/mL progesterone cream and I've been using a couple mL several times a day. I've also been using a little extra so would say I'm in the 1100 mg range per day. How in the world is it that I started my period with that level of progesterone cream?!?! I can't figure it out! I've never had a problem with breakthrough bleeding in the past and I don't think that's what this is. Is it possible that the cream that I'm having compounded isn't really the strength (250 mg) that it says it is? If that's not it, what else could it be? Could my body just override all the progesterone? I did do a coffee enema on Saturday - could that "cleanse" have triggered my period? My plan was to go straight through several cycles with the progesterone cream, but now I don't know what to do. Have you ever seen this happen before? Should I stop the cream until my period ends? Or should I keep going with the cream?

Thanks as always!
Emily

Oct 22, 2013
Re: Estrogen Dominance, Hypothyroidism & Adrenal Fatigue
by: Wray

Hi Emily Glad they've checked for inositol and IR, and that you don't have it. There is one reason I can think of which could cause you to bleed. Although progesterone should peak mid-luteal phase, assuming ovulation has taken place and the corpus luteum is doing it's job well, oestrogen always peaks. Yes it will be suppressed to a certain extent with the amount you're using, but it seems to me this mid-luteal oestrogen rise skewed your ratio. In effect lessening the affect of progesterone which could cause you to bleed. The other point you made about the compounded progesterone could have some bearing on it. Is it a thick or thickish cream, as this doesn't allow for good absorption of progesterone. In other words you're not getting what you think you should. Intriguing thought about the enema! But I've no idea. Progesterone is broken down into pregnanediols and pregnanolones by the liver, but excretion is mainly through the kidneys. It doesn't seem likely the enema would affect it. If you want to continue through several cycles, then don't stop now. No harm will come of it. Let me know how you get on. Take care Wray

Feb 24, 2014
Estrogen has SKYROCKETED since being on Progesterone Cream
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray, I'm back with some updates - unfortunately none of them good. I've now been on the progesterone solidly since the end of Sept. so 5 months (had also done 3 months prior to this but then stopped the progesterone for about 2 months and then started back in Sept.). I did 3 cycles straight through everyday. Then I did the 4 month starting as soon as my period was over. Now this month, I'm waiting till post-ovulation to start on the progesterone. I've been using 620 mg daily (on the days when I used it as I described above) split into a morning and night dose. The cream I've used is bio-identical cream from my compounding shop.

My main question and concern is that I have experienced almost no benefits since I started the progesterone, but I've experienced many negative side effects. I gained 10 lbs mostly in my belly, hips and thighs, my hair falls out in crazy amounts in the shower and when I comb it and it has been drier than usual, my belly is distended (not sure if it's just water retention or if my uterus or something is actually enlarged). I think my thyroid medicine has also been less effective, so I'm feeling hypo again as well. I anticipated a worsening of my ED symptoms as you have described and figured that it was just talking time for me to overcome the ED, but I have never gotten over the hump so to speak. And more alarming is that the labwork that I've had done since starting the progesterone shows almost no improvement in my progesterone levels, but my estrogen is through the roof! It is way over the highest point of the reference ranges and of course what I'm experiencing symptom wise matches what I'm seeing in my labs. I never had that problem before (I have always had low progesterone but not high estrogen).

I am concerned that my body has converted all the progesterone into estrogen. Is that possible? I cannot continue to feel and look this bad! I am MISERABLE and am wishing I had never started on the progesterone at all. I did not think that it would actually cause my body to produce more estrogen - I thought it would just temporarily make my estrogen receptor cells more receptive to the existing estrogen in my body. Have you seen this before? If so, what causes it? What is the point of using progesterone cream if it's going to actually backfire and make more estrogen instead? Please help me! I don't know if I should continue on the progesterone cream or stop it. Also, what will help my estrogen levels come down? I've been on DIM and myomin but have seen no improvement from either. I've also been using 10,000 IUs daily of Vit D and my latest labs from last week show my level at 94. I also using magnesium lotion 2x per day and my levels are good.

Mar 01, 2014
Reply
by: Emily

Hi Joy, Any chance you could help me with my post above? Really looking for some information and would love to hear from you. Don't know who else to ask.
Thanks,Emily

Mar 31, 2015
Outcome?
by: Jeannie

Hi Emily: Can't help but be curious and hopeful that your estrogen dominance/progesterone issues worked out/resolved? I didn't see a reply to your last question asking for help....

Hoping you found your answers :)

Jeannie

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