What a ride over the last 3 years!!!

by Debbie
(West Virginia)

I have been doctoring the last 3 years for my crazy hormones. We have a women's health clinic in town and I was put on Estrogen in September of 2007. Was using the patch, but my saliva test 3 months after I started using the patch came back with the estrogen levels around 13. WOW!!

I was told I was like a sponge, soaking up too much at a time. So, I went to the spray. Things settled down for a while, saliva testing showed the estrogen had dropped to around 6, but I still had that "ring around the head" kind of headache everyday but it was barely noticeable. Then the estrogen levels soared again, this time to 12. I went off the estrogen totally this past January and the following saliva tests in March, July and September were 6, 3, then 1.5, this was great BUT... progesterone levels dropped drastically! These last 3 tests showed progesterone levels at 12, 11, and 10 on the last one.

Since January, I have had muscle spasms, achey musles where I never had them before. I am very active, teach craft classes and run 2 businesses out of my home. It has become progressively worse since January to the point that by evening, instead of relaxing, my muscles become more tense and achey. I should mention that during that time when the estrogen dropped to 6, I was also using progesterone cream. I stopped using it when the estrogen dropped so well. But I just yesterday reordered progesterone cream and started using it again. I want to compare what I get from the pharmacy with what you all are selling.

My question is, just how much cream can I use per day to get these levels back up to where they should be? I also want you to know that I had no idea about the levels until I took my last test results to my chiropractor last week and he took one look at them and told me that the levels were causing my muscular problem. I can't begin to tell you how many times I have gone to him, thinking I had knocked my back or neck out of place and then come to find out that the problem wasn't my bones BUT my muscles!

I am SO glad I found this site in my searchings. I am very interested in your product and am going to see how it compares to what I am using. Can't wait to hear what amount you tell me I can use to get my levels back to normal so I can FEEL normal again! Thanks so much for this site!

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Oct 17, 2010
What a ride over the last 3 years!!!
by: Wray

Hi Debbie Thanks for the kind words. I'm not sure what age you are, but I'm assuming you must be in menopause as you were given oestrogen. If so your oestrogen was high, it should be between 0.5?1.7 pg/ml. Your progesterone can range from 12?100 pg/ml, so it was at the low end. I've found to feel well the progesterone to oestrogen ratio should be over 600:1. This knowledge has been gained because a naturopath we work with, has had numerous before and after saliva tests done on women who've never used it before. It means your ratio was 6.6:1 which is very low, it's no wonder you feel as you do. Oestrogen is a known initiator of inflammation, it's high in all inflammatory diseases in fact. It's essential for progesterone to be the dominant hormone, so I recommend between 100-200mg/day. I don't know the strength of the cream you are using so you would have to work out how much to use. For more info please see our page on How to use progesterone cream. But please read this page on Oestrogen Dominance first. Muscle aches can also be due to a lack of vitamin D, please have a test done. For more info see the Vitamin D council website. Interestingly a lack of vitamin D reduces the benefits of progesterone. Another nutrient you could consider taking is the amino acid taurine, about 2000mg/day. It's vital for the transport of electrolytes in and out of cells. Muscle spasms are caused by an excess or deficiency of these within a cell, often excess calcium and a lack of magnesium. Another interesting point, but one of the co-factors for vitamin D is magnesium. If I'm correct about the stage you are now in, please see this page we have on Menopause. If I'm not, maybe you are in Peri-menopause? Take care Wray

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