progesteron vs oestrogen

Hello my name is Marleen (55)
just started with hot flashes a week ago, and skipped menstruation. But the worse thing is : terrible headaches which last for days, sometimes like 20 days a month.
had my hormone levels checked ;

Oestrogen (Estradiol- 17- Beta) 17,7
Progesteron 0,13

I will start with the progesteron cream, no doubt,
but will I also need something to bring up the oestrogen levels? I found this Estriol Cream of Biovea.

Hope you can help me here,
thank you so much for your exelent work,
kind regards,

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Nov 06, 2016
Progesterone vs Oestrogen
by: Joy

Hi Marleen

You are in Peri-Menopause heading towards Menopause and progesterone therapy is very much needed to help you through this. Hot Flashes require 400-600mg Natpro Progesterone Cream for 4-6 days or until they clear, then you can slowly reduce the amount of cream by 14-20mg at a time. Each time you reduce, stay on that amount for 1 week, then reduce again. If you reduce too quickly and by too much, all adverse symptoms will return. Continue to reduce to a level that suits you but never less that 100mg Natpro progesterone cream per day. Usually women in Menopause need around 200mg per day, every day.

Your Progesterone:Estrogen (E2) ratio is 7:1 which is extremely low, it should be around 600:1, you certainly do not need any estrogen. Besides there are well over 100 estrogen mimics in our environment as it is, why take more? If you use an estrogen cream you will probably remain in an estrogen dominance state, unless you use huge amounts of progesterone to counter act that. Definitely not what you need.

What is your Vitamin D3 level? A deficiency reduces the benefits of progesterone and is connected to every single functioning cell in our bodies, making it vital. Co-Factors are needed.

Please read these pages and the references:
How to use Progesterone Cream
Estrogen Dominance
Environmental Toxins
Vitamin D3
Progesterone Cream
Hormone Testing

Nov 07, 2016
progesteron in spain
by: marleen

thank you so much for your answer,
it is of a great help.

i do not know what my D3 level is, sorry,
I live in spain and it is unfortunately quite difficult to order products from Amerika.

I can buy progesteron cream in the pharmacy here.
The brand is called Darstin.
it has per 100 gram 1 gram of natural progesteron.

they recommend to use 5 grams a day.
i hope that that will be ok?
thank you so much for your help,
kind regards,

Nov 07, 2016
Progesterone Only Girl
by: Laura

I wanted to comment that I followed Wray's/Joy's protocol above with much doubt it would work since I have struggled so much over the past 10 years (I'm 53 yrs. old and now in menopause) but guess has worked so far better than anything else I've tried in the past and I've tried alot!! I was on doctor-prescribed bio-identical transdermal low doses of progesterone and estrogen and could not overcome my symptoms, especially my chronic hair loss (10+ yrs of losing hair and I've lost over half my hair). It is now extremely thin. I read these forums everyday and took in as much as I could until I could develop my own protocol from all their advice. I dropped the estrogen and upped my current dose of 20mg progesterone to 200mg/day (100AM/100PM). My doc had tried to prescribe more progesterone in the past but my symptoms would get so severe (headache, dizzy, brain fog, acid reflux, stomach would get huge, more hair loss, fatigue, etc.!!) so I would go back to my original low dose (she never explained that the estrogen receptors would wake up and make things worse at first). If she had explained that one small fact, I would have stuck it out. I did start to feel good on the 200mg but still had night sweats, vaginal dryness and hair loss so upped to 400mg (200AM/200PM) for about 1-2 weeks and then started dosing down slowly. Night sweats and dryness stopped but hair loss did not so, I slowly added some of the recommended vitamins on this site to my current vitamin regimen which included inositol, NAC and calcium d-glucarate. Started on recommended doses on each bottle. Just upped inositol to two a day (my bottle is 650mg per pill) and my hair loss has stopped (fingers crossed)!! Of course, I apply progesterone transdermally. Right now, I am in a good place with my regimen. I will continue to dose down slowly but will not go under 200mg/day as I did feel good on that dose. I do get a vitamin/mineral blood panel done every 6 months because I have struggled especially with keeping minerals up and I can say right now I am on the high end of normal range with everything (including iron, Vit. D and magnesium, zinc and selenium). Good luck to all!

Nov 08, 2016
Progesterone Only Girl
by: Joy

Hi Laura

Thank you so much for sharing this with us, it really will encourage others who are either on the protocol or contemplating trying it. I am dealing with so many who are experiencing success with it. And of course the 'naysayers' can read of it's success as well.

Keep going.

Nov 09, 2016
Progesterone in Spain
by: Joy

Hi Marleen

I ran this by the department concerned who have confirmed that there are no issues with the ordering of Natpro in Spain. What problems are you experiencing actually as we have a large customer base in Spain? I am unfamiliar with Darstin, please contact them directly and discuss with them. Make sure that it has no parabens, chemicals and that it contains the correct progesterone concentration. You might battle otherwise.

Nov 10, 2016
answer to Joy
by: Anonymous

Hello Joy,
thank you for investigating and your anwer.
I will see a gynacologyst today and discuss it further. Good to hear that there is no problem ordering it when living in spain.
thanks again, marleen

Nov 20, 2016
Utrogestan (spain)
by: marleen

hello Joy,

The gynacologist here in spain gave me Utrogestan, 100/200 mg before sleeping, It is difficult to obtain the cream here in spain, so I really hope this does the trick and that it is comparable with the progesterone cream.

thank you for all your good work,

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