Peri menopausal with crashing fatigue

by Lee

I am a 45-year-old woman, one year ago I had a mental and physical breakdown after much stress. I had adrenal burnout and ended up, after many many doctors appointments, finally being diagnosed with Hashimoto's (now underneath control with diet changes). I take all the right supplements recommended on this site with good levels of vitamin D and I'm about to start a progesterone and cream.

I have also been diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia. Approximately 50% of the time, mostly before my period and during my period, I have a fatigue that is so bad I can hardly get out of bed, funny enough though, because of my great diet and clean lifestyle I guess, my brain is working perfectly clear.

After changing my diet and going gluten dairy and sugar free a lot of my anxiety has dissipated. I feel now that all I'm left with is some sort of major hormonal imbalance. Doctors put me on low-dose of DHEA and a very low dose of progesterone cream which I don't think will be enough after looking at this site, I think I will have to go out and buy a stronger version.

I guess I just want some reassurance on how to use the cream when I get it. Am I right in ascertaining that I can probably use it for a few months straight to get my levels up? Or should I stick to the last two weeks of my cycle?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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Jun 02, 2017
Peri Menopausal with crashing fatigue
by: Joy

Hi Lee

I am so sorry to hear about your breakdown but happy that you managed to crawl back up again! If your Hashimoto's is under control through diet changes, then that is excellent. So many people underestimate the importance of diet. What we put in, is what we get out! Wheat and sugar in particular major culprits and cause so many health issues. Our food chain is certainly not what it used to be sadly. Please keep up with your diet.

When you say that your vitamin D3 levels are good, what exactly is that please? The level should be between 70-100ng/mL, please read the page on it. Co-factors are needed and are vital. Vitamin D3 is such a vital substance, and a malfunctioning thyroid is but one of the problems that occurs when too low. Have your tyrosine, selenium and iodine levels been checked? If they are low, the thyroid gland will not be able to make the two hormones T3 and T4. Antibodies against TPO are found in diseases such as Hashimoto's. Please get them to check your glutathione levels, if this is low the immune system struggles. The correct use of a good progesterone cream such as Natpro, vitamin D3 and magnesium is most benefifical for fibro as well. No brainers really. If Vitamin D3 level is not where it should be, it reduces the benefits of progesterone.

Have you tried this adrenal fatigue cocktail? It is excellent and it certainly helped me and thousands of others, perhaps it will help you too.

Take the following 1-2 times/day an hour before or after food. Do NOT use this first thing in the morning. This cocktail will nourish the adrenals when needed.

Adrenal Fatigue Cocktail

One application:

• 4oz/125ml freshly squeezed Orange Juice – the vitamin C makes sure that the minerals noted below get to the liver to nourish the adrenals
• 1/4 tsp of Cream of Tartar - this is an excellent source of Potassium
• 1/4 tsp of fresh ground Himalayan Sea Salt - this is an excellent source of Sodium and other minerals

Mix the above at the start of the day with enough liquid for two (2) applications i.e. 8oz/125ml of orange juice. Drink it mid-morning, as well as mid-afternoon. In addition, any time that you are feeling particularly anxious it would be advisable to prepare another mixture and take it.

Please note: For those who have blood sugar problems, use lemon juice mixed with a little water, you are looking for the vitamin C.

I do not recommend DHEA at all, please think carefully about taking it. It raises androgens, estrogens and prolactin, it causes cysts and can cause cancer. DHEA may have a dark side. By facilitating internal production of testosterone and estrogen, supplemental DHEA could accelerate the growth of undetected prostate or breast tumors. Studies have shown higher levels of DHEA - and estrogens made from it - in people with breast cancer and endometrial cancer.

A low dose of progesterone will not help you either, in fact it will add to your adverse symptoms. When not enough progesterone is used it will aggravate your estrogen receptors, definitely not what is needed. If progesterone is not used correctly it will not work. It also takes 2-6 months before progesterone becomes the dominant hormone.

You are also in Peri-Menopause which can be difficult time for most women but it need not be with the correct use of a good organic progesterone cream such as Natpro. Progesterone should be used every day when Peri-Menopause starts as it will soon become difficult to use the cream as the monthly periods become irregular.

Please read these pages and the references:

How to use Progesterone Cream

Estrogen Dominance



Vitamin D3



Hope this helps you.

Jun 05, 2017
Me again Joy
by: Anonymous

Thanks so much Joy, yes I'm doing all you say as I have followed closely the book by Dr Wilson on adrenal fatigue and I'm being advised by an alternative Dr r.e Hashimotos.

So I've done all the iodine loading and reverse t-3 taking, all the right sups, (iodine, selenium, tyrosine etc)

I have taken onboard what you said about DHEA, I too had found mixed opinions in my research and what you said, tipped me to ditching it.

My D3 is at the low end of normal 69, so I'm doubling my D3 and making sure I get lots of sunshine too.

I feel like I'm on the right track, and now I'll be increasing my Progesterone cream, and seeing how that goes. I've read so many posts on this site and see both your answers and Wrays, so I feel like I'm on the right track, how you guys don't get frustrated by us is beyond me.

It's really scary to go against what your doctor says, especially with hormones, and yet, logically doctors don't really know this stuff and hundreds of thousands of women are suffering around the globe when the truth is hidden in plain site.

I have been having terrible oestrogen dominance PMS symptoms, chest tightness and aches all over, Im hoping to push through this. I'm on 80mg of cream a day, any more and I'd literally go mad with the ED. I find taking magnesium helps a lot to kill that off.

I am hoping this wont go on any longer than a week or two as each time I've tried to follow the advice of raising the level of PC, I end up just going crazed from the oestrogen reaction and I cant push through. I'm determined this time, it's like getting out past the breakers in the ocean.. lol

I'll keep checking in, I wanted mainly to ask this one question Joy:

If I cant push past 80mg due to ED, will I still eventually build up my progesterone levels over time or will I just aggravate my receptor continually and never get past that? past the breakers?

So can I build up over time, or do I have to risk the madness of ED?


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