by Kathy

Hi Wray, I have already bothered you once before but you seem to really know your stuff. Wanted to know your input on handmade goats milk soap that also contains soyoil.

Would it have estrogenic effects if it had soyoil in it? I also use olive oil to help with dry skin. Is it okay to use after applying my progesterone cream? Thank you so much. God Bless you for all the help you give to people.


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Oct 02, 2010
by: Wray

Thanks Kathy, I do enjoy it! All oilseeds contain phytoestrogens. The USDA Food Composition site doesn't list any in soy oil, only the phytosterols stigmasterol, campesterol and beta-sitosterol, please see the USDA website. Oestrogen, the phytoestrogens, and many oestrogen mimics, have a triple bonded or phenolic A-ring. But the phytosterols don't have the triple bonded A-ring, one reason labs use the phytosterols to make progesterone from. The following paper lists in descending order the phytoestrogen content of foods, with nuts and oilseeds having the highest content, see here. Another paper I bought lists flaxseed, pumpkinseed and rapeseed oils as containing phytoestrogens, but they didn't analyse soy oil. But it's highly likely it contains some if the above oils do, see here. Unfortunately the abstract doesn't show the list. Phytoestrogens are impossible to avoid, even in animal products, see here. Even olive oil contains lignans, see here. Although these are regarded as potent antioxidants, they are still phenolic substances. Coconuts have the lowest level of phytoestrogen content of all nuts, but they still contain some, ferulic acid and p-coumaric acid. So where does one draw the line? Although I'm against soy, all legumes contain high levels of phytoestrogens, plus trypsin inhibitors, phytates and goitrogens. Grains are no better. So they should all be avoided if eating them, but soy oil added to soap, I doubt it would do any harm as the level would be so low. Having given you indigestion with the above, I have further news, don't use soap of any kind on your skin, for two reasons. All soaps I've tested, except one with a pH of 6, have a pH of 9-10, extremely alkaline. The pH of the skin varies between 4.5 to 5.5, which is acid. This protects us from fungi and bacteria. The other more important fact is by using soap, including natural shampoos, it washes off the cholesterol on the skin. This prevents us from making vitamin D, the most important nutrient there is. Most of us have far too low a level due to washing our skin, working indoors, avoiding the sun by covering up or using sunscreen. There's mounting evidence that the diseases we suffer from are due to a lack of vitamin D, please see here. The olive oil is fine to apply after the cream. Try MCT oil, a coconut extract, and anti-fungal and bacterial. Try taking omega 3 fish oil too. Take care Wray

Oct 04, 2010
by: Anonymous

HI Wray, If you do not recommend soap what do you recommend for bathing? We had summer temps. as high as 110 degrees, that after coming out of a garden you do need to take a bath in something or your husband will not come near you LOL

Oct 09, 2010
by: Wray

Hi there You do have a point! But I would still avoid soap or shampoo on the skin. The only places that need washing and give off any unpleasant smells are in fact places which don't get sun exposure, ie between your legs and the underarms. A mild natural shampoo is best, but please make sure it's acid enough, this is easy enough to do by adding about 1/2 tsp vitamin C to the bottle. The vagina in particular must stay acid, as this helps to prevent any bacteria or yeast. So many women suffer from candida, and it's because they use highly alkaline soap. Interestingly enough sweat itself doesn't smell, it's the overgrowth of bacteria in the sweat which causes this. Another alternative to soap/shampoo is a cleansing milk, but make sure it doesn't contain any harsh chemicals or endocrine disruptors! Take care Wray

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