Getting the gameplan from the expert.

by Mark
(NM)

Hi Wray, I have a few questions after digesting your whole site. Thank you for all of the information.

First my story. I am a 34 year old male that has had puffy nipples most of my adult life. I am pretty fit from strength training but my nipples stay puffy. Also they are always sore to the touch. I also seem to hold all of my fat around the midsection. The rest of me is muscular and lean.

I took your questionnaire and scored a 17 so it appears that a bit of progesterone would do me some good. I am 5' 10" at 187lbs. What dose would you suggest for me to start at? I have a bit of inflammation in my right arm from all of my computer work so I figure that might be a nice spot to start.

I have also started my wife and I at 10,000 IUs of Vitamin D to try to get our levels up. I know mine is way down. We both have office jobs and don't get out much. I figure after about a month I can reduce us back down to 5K.

I don't suppose that the progesterone will have an effect on my testosterone. Testosterone does not seem to be an issue. I won't go into details. :) I obviously don't want to loose any of that.

Next my lovely wife which is what led me to your website.

She is also 34. From 16 to about 30 she was on the pill. She steadily gained weight while being on it. Now since being off of the pill her weight has not budged. I know that she has painful cramps, backache, and sore breasts right before her period starts and her flow can be quite strong some months.

My question is that since we are not having children (I had a vasectomy) should she use the cream everyday to get her issues under control or still follow her cycle? I don't want to mess up anything for her hormonal wise obviously.

Does the dosage go up depending on body weight? She is at 220lbs currently at 5'7". I was thinking about the high end of 200mg. Money is not a problem and I don't want her to suffer through the estrogen dominance very long if possible so if a higher does is better then I am all for it. I have briefed her on the issue that she will most likely gain weight from the treatment.

Thank you for your time. I hope that this will finally clear up our respective issues. Not to mention that I can take this info to my mother-in-law (beginning osteoporosis) and my mom (full hysterectomy).

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Sep 23, 2011
Your game plan
by: Cheryl

Mark, you said something about having inflammation on your arm. I just wanted you to know that my husband who has rheumatoid arthritis uses progesterone on his wrists and knees every day to help with the inflammation; and it helps him so much.

Tell your wife I know how she feels about hormones and weight!! I was always very thin until I went through menopause and gained 50 pounds in just a couple of years. I have found that as long as my progesterone is dominant I can lose fat.

Good luck to both of you.

Sep 23, 2011
Xeno Estrogens?
by: Kelly

Mark, while you await Wray's answer, you might consider trying to find and eliminate the sources of estrogen in your life. Guys shouldn't have high levels of estrogen, and the sources are usually xeno (foreign) estrogens from lotions, soaps, detergents, shampoos or chemical exposures - often petroleum products, fertilizers, pesticides, etc....

The following link has tons of info on xeno estrogens and ways to eliminate them. They also make a very good progesterone product, though it is much more expensive than the Natpro. (I use both, as I believe they are the best progesterone products available). This info might help your wife too.

www.womhoo.com/#vid1

Good luck!

Sep 25, 2011
Xeno Estrogens?
by: Sue

Hi Kelly: I have become recently familiar with Dr. Eckhart's info too. You say you're using both his oil and the Natpro, but can you tell me how many mgs. a day you're using? Since the recommendation for Natpro is 100-200 and the oil is no more than 60 or 70 I think?

Sep 26, 2011
Getting the gameplan from the expert.
by: Wray

Hi Mark Thanks for the compliment, I'm not sure about expert! But I certainly give as much info as I can to support my argument. We do have a page on Man Boobs which explains why they occur. Please take a look through it, as it also gives suggestions on what to do about them. There are plenty of papers too. Between 10-100mg per day progesterone should be used, dependant on symptoms. It can be applied anywhere, but rubbing it directly on the breasts is more effective. For more information see How to use progesterone cream. But before using it, it's essential to read the page on Oestrogen Dominance first. Even men can get this, and it's disconcerting if it does occur. You might be interested in reading these comments from men, we have many using it for BPH, prostate cancer and to raise libido. In fact the jury is still out on whether it's testosterone which increases this, it seems it could be progesterone, see here, here, here, here, here and here. It's interesting about the abdominal fat. In the case of women, this is caused by excess testosterone increasing visceral fat in this region. One reason women get 'middle age spread'. I've run out of space so will start a new comment below. Take care Wray

Sep 26, 2011
Getting the gameplan from the expert.
by: Wray

Hi Mark You might be interested in these papers here, here, here, here, here here, here, here, here and here. Or your wife might. I have no idea if it's the same cause in men, although I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Oestrogen plays a role too, it's a mitogen, causing cells to proliferate, including fat cells, these are also a source of oestrogen. So a vicious cycle starts. But oestrogen tends to distribute fat all over the body, in fact wherever there are fat cells, not only on the midsection. Delighted to hear you're using 10,000iu's of vitamin D per day, that should get it higher. 5000iu's is the minimum, but no lower. One woman wrote in to say her level was originally 34ng/ml, she took to 5000iu's per day, and it rose to 54ng/ml. Then reduced to 2000iu's per day, only to find at her next test it had dropped back down to 35ng/ml. Please consider having a test done when you've been taking it for about 3 months. It might be you need to stay on the 10,000iu's for a bit longer than a month. I wish it were possible to put a warning on all Contraceptives saying "this product can damage your health"! I've had countless women writing in saying how they've suffered from using them. The amount of progesterone to use is not dependant on weight, but on symptoms. This applies to men too. The more severe they are the more is needed. Your wife should use nothing less than 100mg/day, but I feel she will probably need much more, as you suggest. I've run out of space again, new comment below. Take care Wray

Sep 26, 2011
Getting the gameplan from the expert.
by: Wray

Hi Mark For encouragement please get her to read these comments from users of high amounts, see here, here, here and here. And the last thing she should gain is weight. Progesterone, like testosterone, is thermogenic, so speeding metabolism slightly. The weight gain women get is due to using the 'normal' recommendations of 20-40mg/day, this merely increases oestrogen and exacerbates symptoms. We do have a page on Nutrition. There are 3 excellent websites listed, something for everyone. I try to follow the Paleo Diet myself, no grains or legumes, with very little fruit. All sweet, starchy carbs, fruit included, convert to glucose too quickly. In fact all sugars lower sex hormone binding globulin, which allows testosterone and oestrogen to rise, see here. Finally I believe your wife has Insulin Resistance, the pill can cause this. Take care Wray

Sep 26, 2011
Your game plan
by: Wray

Hi Cheryl Good to hear from you via the site. I'm so pleased that your husband is responding to the progesterone, I know he was reluctant to try it. Is is essential, as you say, to keep progesterone the dominant hormone. Take care Wray

Sep 26, 2011
Xeno Estrogens?
by: Wray

Hi Kelly Thanks for your support! And you are so right too, it's the hidden oestrogen mimics we forget about, skin care being one of the worst. This is an excellent site to look at, Theo Colborn was the first to bring to our attention the concerns about the xeno-oestrogens, see Our Stolen Future. Take care Wray

Sep 26, 2011
Xeno Estrogens?
by: Wray

Hi Sue My recommendation of 100-200mg/day is for any brand of progesterone, as I've learnt that too low an amount rarely does little good. The ingredients are very good in the Progestelle, it's only progesterone and coconut oil. 60g of oil contains 800mg progesterone. This means 1g or ml of oil has 13.33mg progesterone. So if 100mg progesterone is needed, 7.5ml of oil would have to be used. Take care Wray

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