Could Natpro be bad for uterine cancer?

by SGM
(CA)

I've been using Natpro for several years non-stop every day at the lowest dose of 400 mgs per day. A few times I was using Natpro at the highest of 700 to 900 mgs for a short period of time when I was having a hard time getting things under control but mostly at about 400 Mgs per day. I'm postmenopausal. My doctor suggests that bio-identical progesterone (taken alone without estrogen) could possibly be bad for uterine cancer maybe even contributing to it. If this is possible, could Natpro be the same as a bio-identical progesterone? Would the doses be of equal value between a bio-identical progesterone from a doctors perscription compared to using Natpro? I don't want to stop taking Natpro but if it's the same as taking a bio-identical progesterone from a doctors prescription then I may have to stop using it if what the doctor said is true because I have uterine cancer. My doctor is not at all familiar with Natpro, I believe she is assuming it is the exact same as a perscription bio-identical progesterone. I really don't know if it is as I don't know a lot about bio-identicals. I need to get this answered very soon. Please help.

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Jan 23, 2016
Could Natpro be bad for uterine cancer?
by: RJ

Hello SGM!
Many prayers for you to recover from this. I cannot answer about progesterone helping uterine cancer. Did you have cancer years ago when you started it or are you feeling it is what has caused your cancer now? Do you take all the other supplements that progesterone needs to be efficient? What I can say is that anything you are going to receive from a doctor in the form of BHRT will have synthetics in it of some kind. Natpro doesn't. You want the cleanest of ingredients. As for estrogen being taken....remember our fat cells continue to make estrogen until the day we die, plus all the environmentals we are exposed to every day. Again, many prayers to you to heal your body! Check out thetruthaboutcancer.com and cancertutor.com...they were great sites when my mother had cancer. God Bless! RJ

Jan 23, 2016
Could Natpro be bad for uterine cancer?
by: RJ

Hello again SGM!
Ironically, checked my mail after writing you and this was in my email and I thought of your question:

http://thetruthaboutcancer.com/hormone-replacement-therapy-hrt-breast-cancer/

God Bless! RJ

Jan 23, 2016
Could Natpro be bad for uterine cancer?
by: SGM

Thank you for your response. I don't feel that Natpro caused my cancer or is harming it, it is my doctor who thinks this. I know she is not familiar with Natpro. She thinks that since my dose was in the high range at times and I never took a break from using iNatpro that it may be a problem concerning the cancer. I got the feeling that she may ask me to stop taking it or use a very tiny dose. This is a new diagnosis of cancer just in the last few weeks.

I had a long thread under a different name and for a very long time about 2 or 3 years ago with Wrey. Yes, I took all the suplements Wrey recommended at the doses she recommended. I continued to take many of them and quit the ones she said I no longer needed to take as success progressed.

I had heavy peri-menopausal bleeding that became so constant and unpredictable that I did not even know when my regular period was. I was also in my early fifties so I knew I was not far off from menopause. I was not going to have any more children so I did not feel I need a period. I actually did not want to be bothered with one anymore. With the help of Wrey's advice of suplements and her advice of a starting large dose of Natpro I got the bleeding under control and stopped completely in just a a few months. Again, since I did not know what time of the month I would have had a period and did not want to have one anyway being in my fifties and a grandma..... I just kept taking the Natpro non-stop every day. I started to decrease the amount of daily Natoro at the rate instructed by Wrey until I got to 400 mgs as she said that was her experience as the lowest dose to stop bleeding.

I thought that the daily dose of Natpro was keeping me from having periods. I know that Wrey uses Natpro everyday herself being postmenopausal so I assumed that I would be also continue using Natpro even when I became postmenopausal. But since I was using the Natpro and not bleeding then how would I know when I did come to menopause? No longer bleeding is how women my age know they have hit menopause, right?

After not bleeding at all, having no periods while using Natpro for about 1 1/2 years then I started bleeding almost every day from very light spotting to heavy with clots. Some times I would have a day hers the there with no bleeding. I thought it was because I had gone below 400 mgs of Natpro to 333 mgs (2 tsp per day) so I increased the dose back to 400 mgs but the bleeding did not stop. Then I went back on the supplements I had been on in the beginning and started to increase the Natpro but again it did not stop the bleeding. Finally after even longer months of not being able to completely stop bleeding, I then even increased the Natpro to 1200 mgs for a while. Nothing was completely stopping the constant bleeding. I've never stopped using Natpro daily for the 3 years or so since I've been using it even thought I have gradually reduced down to 666 mgs ( 4 tsp daily) so far. ii have always daily taken Dr Cannell's vitamin D. My last vitamin D test was 80.

I also asked my Endocranologist if I could get a hormone test. He ordered only estrogen and testosterone but not progesterone blood tests. I was not happy that he left out the progesterone test. I'm getting one soon. But the estrogen came back at 7 so I know now that I'm postmenopausal at 56 yrs old. So at least part of that 1 1/2 years I was using Natpro non-stop daily, to not bleed nor have a period; I must have been in menopause. As I said, I thought it was Natpro the whole time that was stopping any bleeding at all even a monthly period.

Now my uterine lining is 22 mm thick and causing bleeding. There are no fibroids, cysts nor polyps. I have chosen to do alternative methods for the cancer. I did not care for the cancers tutor web site. I spent a lot of time on ithat site. I've read several alternituve cancer books and also Susanne Somers "knockout". I'm going to start out with using Carot Juice as a possible cure. The book called Curing Cancer with Carrots was one of the best books I read. I'm also thinking of perhaps doing Essiac tea at some point in the future. I'm exploring a few options with a nuropathic doctor as well. Still taking tests and waiting on results.

I spent some time reacquainting myself with the progesterone therapy site and I now know that Natpro is not bad for cancer. But I still have a concern and questions as to my constant non-stop use of Natpro before I became postmenopausal. Did I cause this cancer by not letting myself have a period by my non-stop use of Natpro at high enough doses to not bleed when I was in peri-menopause? I'd like to hear some reasurence that it was not caused by me doing that or a confermation that it might have been possible or not? I have to know what I'm talking about with the doctor if she wants me to stop using Natoro for a while if I dont want to stop. I need to know if I should take a break and stop for any length of time.

Can anyone help with those questions? My first thoughts are to not quit for any length of time because this web site pointed out on the cancer page that Natoro helps cancer. I wish Wrey was still available but perhaps whoever is in charge for her will know and respond to this.

Jan 24, 2016
Could Natpro be bad for uterine cancer?
by: Wray

Hi SGM I have been following your threads, but not replied as others have done so. But I would like to give you a few papers on high amounts of progesterone and cancer. This is one page you could read through….. http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/emory-university-have-done-it-again-progesterone-inhibits-growth-of-neuroblastoma-cancer-cells.html#axzz2F0GhWj00 and this is another here…. http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-06-progesterone-tool-brain-cancer.html I did experiment once I'd read the study and went up to 2000mg/day, i.e. a full tube of Natpro. I reduced after about 4 months to half a tube, then down to 500mg/day. I suppose I use anything from 1000 to 500 to 300mg/day now, I'm very vague about how much I slap on! I see RJ also varies the amount she uses too. It's not something I would recommend to someone just starting out, then it's best to use the same daily amount until symptoms are under control. As for not letting yourself have a period, don't worry. In fact you couldn't have done a better thing, see the last sentence below. I came across a fascinating study by Strassmann in which she says about the Dogon whom she studied…. "The median number of menses per lifetime was approximately 100, about a third as many as experienced by an American woman who had three live births. These results contribute to a growing body of evidence that women's bodies were designed by natural selection to spend most of the time in lactational amenorrhea and add support to the view that contraceptives can be made safer if they forego the hormonal swings associated with menstruation. This conclusion is further reinforced by evidence that menstrual bleeding serves no adaptive purpose", see these two papers here…. The Evolution of Endometrial Cycles and Menstruation….. http://sites.lsa.umich.edu/bis/wp-content/uploads/sites/171/2014/10/Strassmann-1996-QRB.pdf and Menstrual cycling and breast cancer: an evolutionary perspective…. http://www.pinniped.net/strassmann1999.pdf Your lining does seem to be be unduly thick at 22mm, I see you have tried the protocol I suggest for bleeding and a thick lining but it's not working, please keep using it in the hopes it does eventually help. My concern about the carrot diet is the high sugar in the juice, very high sugar. Sugar feeds cancer, I'm not going to suggest you don't try it, but you could look at the ketogenic diet as an alternative before you do. The keto diet reduces glucose levels to the barest minimum, and the body uses ketones for energy. It's a very high fat, moderate to low protein and very low carb diet. Only the good fats should be used, i.e. MCT oil, coconut oil, butter, cocoa butter, lard, duck fat, olive oil or macadamia oil. The first six are saturated fats, the other two mono-unsaturated fats. The best is the MCT oil, an extract from coconut oil. The body converts the fatty acid into ketones, in fact the brain does better on these than glucose. MCT oil forms ketones more efficiently than the other oils. It does require some patience in the first week or two as you go into a detox period which the body doesn't like! These are a few sites about ketogenic diets….
Jeff Volek The Many Facets of Keto-Adaptation….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC1vMBRFiwE

Dr. Stephen Phinney - 'The Art and Science of Low Carb Living and Performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkQYZ6FbsmI

Prof D'Agostino….
http://ketonutrition.org/#

Interview with Dr Mercola and Prof D'Agostino…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LDc5TxOcvA

Mark Maunder…..
http://markmaunder.com/2012/07/22/the-basic-ketogenic-diet/

Plus…..
http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com
http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/low-carb-food-list.html

Take care Wray

Jan 24, 2016
Could Natpro be bad for uterine cancer?
by: RJ

Hello SGM!
I don't believe you caused it at all. Each of our bodies are programmed differently. I started Natpro at 46 and will be 50 next week. Non-stop usage those years with up and down dosages. Wray has so many research papers on this site that says heavy bleeding/clots/spotting are caused by estrogen. So, I do believe once you got all those symptoms stopped 1 1/2 years ago you had the estrogen under control. Don't blame yourself. Thousands of woman have/are taking progesterone for many years on this site and I have to say you have been the first that I have read that has had this type of situation using progesterone. Even our whitecoats recognize it and give it to recovering cancer patients. From personal experience, had you gone to your doctor with the heavy bleeding/clotting she would have put you on prometrium...probably at 400mg a day or even more until it all stopped. Our realtor was diagnosed with breast cancer, had a lumpectomy and radiation and now they will give her a pill to take for the next five years that will keep her estrogen very, very low and she's 50. We had a customer who was 49, diagnosed with prostate cancer, he opted for radiation and progesterone therapy because it was an estrogenic tumor. For those erratic cycles...lucky the soul who has regular cycles until menopause. Most of us on here are all over the place with our cycles. I haven't cycled for almost three months. In the beginning I bled so heavy that I wouldn't go out in public. Clots the size of golfballs would come out and go down my pant legs. It was awful. Yes, I agree the cancer tutor site is a bit radical, but he has research to back it up. The Trogan Horse makes sense and alot of alternative doctors use that therapy. Ty Bollinger's site thetruthaboutcancer.com is excellent. Many, many doctors have done extensive research. Dr. Buryniski has had remarkable cures and he uses pancreatic enzymes. I have been reading so much lately on frankincense oil from Somalia as it is the most potent. There are so many alternatives. DMSO is very potent. Getting your body in an alkaline state is the best. Cancer thrives on sugar with is so acidic. motherearthlabs.com sells a wonderful PH balancer of humic/fulvic acids. She is a microbiologist who cured herself of brain cancer that I believed took her father. So many things and I'm just trying to pull things off the top of my head to help you since I have been down this road with my mother. Prayers are with you. God Bless! RJ

Jan 27, 2016
Could Natpro be bad for cancer
by: SGM

Thank you for your replies. I appreciate the papers concerning cancer and progesterone. Thank you so much for this web site, it has helped me so much and I recommend it to everyone.




Feb 01, 2016
Could Natpro be bad for cancer
by: SGM

Wrey,
Is it possible to thin out my 22 mm uterine using Natpro. If this is possible then I would like to do everything you reccomend that I should do to accomplish this. The amount of daily Natpro as well as supplements.

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