Thyroid, Cholesterol, and diabetes issue

by Margo
(Tenn)

I Wray, I'm really impressed with website and have ordered NATPRO. Presently, I'm on NHRT and have been since 8-2010. Prior to this I was on NHRT 2005-2008. Went thru menopause at 38 and was put on HRT for 15 years. 2001 went off cold turkey and 3 years developed hypothyroid. Is it possible for PTherapy to improve my thyroid? am taking 30mg armour thyroid and 3 (12.5 each) of iodorol. Also, once I went on HRT my cholesterol has been high, HDL high, and LDL high. Have not taken statins but have tried natural remedies w/no good results. Will PTherapy help reduce these levels? Will it improve libido?
does PTherapy effect diabetes in men w/neuropothy?
Thanks for answering these questions and I appreciate anonymity...

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Jan 14, 2012
Thyroid, Cholesterol, and diabetes issue
by: Wray

Hi there Thanks for the kind words about the website, we try! When you say NHRT, I assume you mean natural, but what is it? Is it a combo of oestrogen, testosterone and progesterone and how much are you taking if it's oral or using if it's a cream/gel? I assume from wanting to try the Natpro that it hasn't helped you? I'm relieved you've stopped the HRT, I don't believe the risks are worth it. Progesterone does help the thyroid slightly as it increases metabolism, plus suppressing excess oestrogen which adversely affects the thyroid. It doesn't surprise me your cholesterol went up on the HRT, oestrogen in any form increases it. Progesterone does help control cholesterol, it thins blood and prevents clots, see here, here and here. These pages might interest you too, see here,here and here, here and here. There's now strong evidence a lack of vitamin D causes cholesterol to increase, see here. Please have a test done. For more info on vitamin D levels, testing etc see the Vitamin D Council, GrassrootsHealth, Birmingham Hospital and Vitamin D Links websites. Blood levels should be 70-100ng/ml or 175-250nmol/L and not the 30ng/ml or 75nmol/L most labs and doctors regard as adequate. The minimum daily dose should be 5000iu's per day, although the latest research indicates it should be 10,000iu's per day, see here. Continued below.

Jan 14, 2012
Thyroid, Cholesterol, and diabetes issue Part 2
by: Wray

Hi there Progesterone can help libido, in men too, see here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Progesterone can help neuropathy, see here, here and here. Lack of vitamin D is now thought to be a cause, if not the cause of diabetes, see here, here, here, here, here and here. Please ask him to have a test done too. Take care Wray

Jan 31, 2012
High Testosterone in women- the negatives
by: Anonymous

Wray, I've read a lot of your information on progesterone and am amazed at the benefits it offers yet, the majority of us have had not a single clue! I have been on natural hormones for 14 months. Was benefits initially such as increased libido and little more energy. Initally when tested my hormones were depleted. Dr put me on 1.25mg Biest (50/50), c-progesterone 12.5mg/ml cream, testosterone pellet implant every 3 months. My last tests stated testosterone level 161.73
DHEA Sulfate 234ug/dL TPO 56.4, T3 free 3.8, pregnenolone 92. My Dr didn't say anything about testosterone levels being too high. I didn't get estrogen level but was told bad estrogen was high so put me on estrodim and cortisol. am off cortisol ( took 6months). But have gained 6 lbs In midriff/ stomach which can't seem to lose. Decided to go off all hormones and try NATPRO. Have worked Jo from 100mg/3ml to 2tsp/day. Have had 3 or 4 warm spells around 4/5 am. No other symptoms. should I co tinue with 2tsp or increase? Will Natpro help remove the bad estrogen? What is estriol oil made of and would it be beneficial for me or not?

Feb 01, 2012
High Testosterone in women- the negatives
by: Wray

Hi there As you've probably gathered from the above, I'm not in favour of giving oestrogen to a woman! And the amount of progesterone you were using was far too low, this would only have ramped up the oestrogen. Your testosterone is way too high, the normal range is 30 - 95 ng/dL, see Medline Testosterone. Your free testosterone, it's unusual they did this, is also far too high, normal range for 20 - 40 yrs is 0.6 - 3.1 pg/ml and for 41 - 60 yrs it's 0.4 - 2.5 pg/ml, see here. Free testosterone is metabolically active, if bound to SHBG it's not. Testosterone should never be given to a woman, in increases the risk of heart disease and cancer, see here, here, here, here, here here, here, here, here and here. The one thing it increases is visceral fat, which is why you've gained weight in the midriff area only. It's a sure fire way of giving a middle age spread to a woman! I'm not sure how old you are but these are the ranges for DHEAS, Ages 20 - 29 65 to 380 ug/dL, Ages 30 - 39 45 to 270 ug/dL, and Ages 40 - 49 32 - 240 ug/dL, see Medline DHEA-S. DIM is good, oestrogen is broken down into 2 principle metabolites, 2-hydroxyestrone (2-OHE1) and 16-alpha hydroxyestrone (16alpha-OHE1). 16alpha-OHE1 is regarded as a potent oestrogen, whereas 2-OHE1 is a weak oestrogen. DIM increases levels of 2-OHE1, by doing so it also increases the ratio of 2-OHE1:16alpha-OHE1. Continued below.

Feb 01, 2012
High Testosterone in women- the negatives Part 2
by: Wray

Hi there This increased ratio is associated with a lower risk for breast cancer, see here. Other studies have found a protective role too. Although I think Calcium D-glucarate is probably better, or to take concurrently. Oestrogen is metabolised in the liver by glucuronic acid, the process is known as glucuronidation. The process also removes other substances, including toxins, drugs, bilirubin, androgens, mineralocorticoids and glucocorticoids. It's then excreted in the bile, but an enzyme in the intestine called beta-glucuronidase breaks the oestrogen/glucuronide bond, which allows oestrogen to be reabsorbed. There's evidence beta-glucuronidase activity is increased in breast and prostate cancer. Calcium D-glucarate inhibits beta-glucuronidase, see here, here, here and here. Incidentally this enzyme is produced by undesirable gut bacteria, supplementing with probiotics suppresses the bacteria, and subsequently the beta-glucuronidase. Progesterone certainly suppresses all oestrogens, and the amount you're using is very good. If this amount is helping you, continue with it. Not forgetting stress drops progesterone levels so more will be needed if stressed. Oestriol is the pregnancy oestrogen, and appears to be safe, see here. An oil would contain oestriol, but I don't know what oil they use. Some oil formulas use peanut oil, which can cause allergic reactions in those sensitive to it. I don't think it's necessary, see how you do on the progesterone first, before adding to it. Take care Wray

Feb 04, 2012
High testosterone in women
by: Anonymous

Wray, thank you for responding to my query. I'm 66 and soooo frustrated at the medical community as to their lack of knowledge and desire to HELP us heal ourselves as opposed to medicating us. I'm not one to go to the dr unless necessary. At 24 I entered into an aspect of the medical profession I truly enjoyed thou challenging & stressful!! As newly we'd went on pill but developed hypertension after 6months. so stopped & used none. Was put on HCTZ 10mg for 20 years. Was then put on Lisinopril 10mg which am still on. Had 1st child @30 &2nd@35. Good indication I was probably progesterone depressed. Tend to be high energy OCD. Always had regular 32-34 day cycles until age 38 at which time started jogging and assumed that caused me to have skimpy periods. OBGYN told me to keep rerecord for yr and by 40 was in menopause w/major hot flashes. Not good w/two small children. Will continue on next page.....

Feb 04, 2012
High testosterone in women
by: Anonymous

Wray, continuing my history, I went on HRT not know or being told of NHRT and was on HRT for 15 years. I stopped after Womens initiative study came out. about 3-4years later I noticed I was always cold (never before, I was extremely hot) couldn't keep my feet/hands warm. In the area I live in there are few to no natural/holistic Dr.s. But, I found one and was happy w/her for while. She put me on bioidentical E ,T, & P creams and armor thyroid. Energy did increase from4 to 7-8. Doc left the area so went off hormones. Then found new One who was praised by all who went. I now feel I've been duped since told how good blood work/saliva test have been. I ask for copies of tests and find out these shocking results! I have never had a wgt problem and after starting cortisol and Estrodim in august have add 6-8 lbs. In midriff! HOW do I get this off? The EstroDim is an OrthoMolecular product and has 50iu. Vit E, 100mg DIM, 200 mg 13C. Continue on next page......

Feb 04, 2012
High testosterone in women
by: Anonymous

Continuing... Wray, my question is there a DIM product w/o the 13C and should I take it along w/calcium glucarate and a probiotic? Getting my estrogen levels down with above regime is part of the answer. Should I increase my Natpro to 3tsp/day? How fast does it take estrogen and high testosterone levels to exit the body?
Wray thank you so very much for giving us your gift of health. Your website is a blessing from God. May he continue to bless your work and those who help you so we too may be blessed with better health.

Feb 05, 2012
High testosterone in women
by: Wray

Hi there Well you've brought tears to my eyes, bless you for saying that! I don't believe anyone need get ill, and that's there's always hope if one does. The body is quite remarkable at healing and repair, it only needs the nutrients so vital to health. But these are rarely offered. Take the Contraceptive you were given, you developed hypertension, and have been on drugs ever since. There's no better diuretic than progesterone, it's now given to TBI victims to prevent any oedema forming. It also reduces BP because of this. The side effects of Lisinopril makes me wonder?! There's nothing better than vitamin D at inhibiting the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system, see here, here here and here. It's often a lack of vitamin D which causes the R-A-A system to kick in. Progesterone also inhibits aldosterone too. And as for OCD, the vitamin inositol does wonders for this, see here, here, here and here. Doses as high as 18g/day have been given without adverse side effects. I'm very relieved you stopped the HRT! Interestingly oestrogen does drop the temp, progesterone speeds metabolism so is slightly thermogenic, see here. I always had cold hands and feet before I found progesterone. Continued below.

Feb 05, 2012
High testosterone in women Part 2
by: Wray

Hi there You say the cortisol and DIM caused the midriff gain, but this is usually caused by testosterone, which you were on. I've not heard of DIM causing problems, as it reduces the 16-alpha hydroxyestrone, which would cause weight gain. Are you sure it's not from the testosterone you were on? I3C is converted in the gut to DIM (diindolylmethane) and indolylcarbazole, so finding one without it rather defeats the purpose. There is no evidence either DIM or I3C causes weight gain, there only seem benefits. Ca D-glucarate is excellent, as it does reduce oestrogen levels, and the probiotic will certainly help too. 3tsp of cream will give you about 500mg/day, do you feel you need to go that high? I would only suggest you do if you have severe Oestrogen Dominance symptoms. I wish I could tell you when the testosterone and oestrogen will be reduced, but it's impossible. Generally the higher the amount of progesterone the quicker it is, but I still can't give an answer! Please have a vitamin D test done. I've given all the links to a previous reply. It could be this is all you need to get your BP down. Take care Wray


Feb 13, 2012
Off hormones and on Natpro
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray, I've been off natural hormones for I month and have been on natpro for I month. Recently I've noticed I cry at nothing. After menopause at 38 I began to notice a gradual increase in my emotions surfacing for no reason. The last few years the emotions weren't as raw but the past few days have been overwhelming. Can you give me any advise?

Feb 14, 2012
Off hormones and on Natpro
by: Wray

Hi there Yes, it appears you're using too little. You're definitely suffering from Oestrogen Dominance. I recommend 100-200mg/day, more if symptoms are severe. Are you using somewhere within this range? If not please increase it, if you are please increase it! The only way to overcome oestrogen dominance is to make progesterone the dominant hormone. The only way to do this is to increase the amount. Maybe you could let me know how much you're using? I had endless crying too, all gone now thank heavens! I would cry at happy things and sad things, it was impossible, as I couldn't control it at all. So I do know how you feel. Take care Wray

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