Early good results

by Dawna
(Galveston)

Firstly, thank you for the work you have put into your website. I always appreciate the sharing of valuable information even if it doesn't result in financial gain. Just had a recent saliva hormone panel done by ZRT. I am low across the board, Estradiol less than 0.5, Progesterone 23, Ratio 46, Testosterone 15, DHEAS 1.5. I have also suffered from adrenal exhaustion the past 3 years but I'm delighted to learn after major lifestyle changes including herbal supplements & high-dose liposomal Vit C, 3 of 4 cortisol levels show to be in the low-normal range (noon is still low). Symptoms: multiple symptomatic fibroids with hysterectomy recommendation, severe insomnia, tiredness, slight depression, emotional, brain fog, apathy; basically a different personality.

After being declined by current GYN & Fam Practice MD for a bio-identical progesterone prescription, I ordered Life-Flo ProgestaCare & began dosing as Dr John Lee recommended, 20 mg/day, with no improvement. After reading your information on higher dosing I raised to 40 mg/a.m. & 60 mg/p.m. daily with some sleep improvement. Began spotting, having night flushes, increased urination at night, & daytime sleepiness. Increased to 60 mg/a.m. & 80 mg/p.m. & the night flushes are fewer, nighttime urination has decreased some, sleeping good some nights, increased energy during day, improved mood, & fibroid symptoms almost completely gone! I'm glad I pressed thru the symptoms.

Here are my questions: Should I continue to raise my dose? Is NatPro tacky on the skin like ProgestCare? Can I load NatPro in a syringe (like BHRT from pharmacy)? If so, can you make a recommendation for a syringe brand. Looked on Amazon & was overwhelmed. One of the things I like about ProgestaCare is the pump dispenser. I can't imagine measuring with a spoon. A syringe would solve that. One of the things I dislike about ProgestaCare is the amount I have to use--it's getting pricey & I'd like another option.

Thank you so much for your help.

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Aug 06, 2013
Early good results
by: Beansprout

Hi Dawna - That's my biggest complaint, too. The ever growing cost of using 200-300 mg (the amount I'm currently taking) of progesterone. If I had gold fillings I would sell them. Or I might have to take up prostitution as a side job. = )

It's also extremely hot outside during these peak summer months. I stopped using Progesta-Care because of the heaviness of the creme itself. I felt like I belonged in a wax museum or something. I sometimes had trouble washing myself clean of the build up on my skin in the shower. It drove me nuts. So I switched to the NOW Solutions brand which offers a much better delivery. It's aloe base goes on light, quickly absorbs and the initial scent that wafts heavily of lemongrass dissipates within just a minute or two and then you smell nothing and your skin is left to breathe.

You've asked some good questions and I, too, look forward to hearing Wray's response to all of what you've mentioned.

Beansprout

Aug 07, 2013
Early good results
by: Wray

Hi Dawna Bless you for kind words. The website developed after my own frustrations 17 years ago in not finding info about Peri-menopause, which I eventually found out I was going through. I used to spread the word via talks, but using the web reaches many more people. Your ratio is low, ZRT Labs are one of the few labs that looks at it. Far more critical than the amount of each. We've found from Saliva Tests we run that the ratio is best if it's 600:1 and over. I'm delighted you took my advice about higher amounts, they really do work. I have found 400mg/day is needed to eliminate Hot Flushes and night sweats. Although some women find they need more. Fibroids are caused by oxidative stress and large amounts of antioxidants are needed to reverse them. In particular vitamin D, it could possibly be the cause, taking it certainly shrinks them, see here, here, here, here, here and here. Excess oestrogen of course exacerbates them as it's a mitogen causing cells to proliferate. A lack of vitamin D also reduces the benefits of progesterone, please have a test done. For more info on vitamin D levels, test kits etc see the following websites, Vitamin D Council, GrassrootsHealth and Birmingham Hospital. Blood levels should be 70-100ng/ml or 175-250nmol/L, and not the 30ng/ml or 75nmol/L most labs and doctors regard as adequate. Continued below

Aug 07, 2013
Early good results Part 2
by: Wray

Hi Dawna The minimum daily dose should be 5000iu's per day, although the latest research indicates it should be 10,000iu's per day, see here. I've never used ProgestaCare, but I can assure you Natpro is not tacky! It goes in immediately being a very light cream. We do know the progesterone is absorbed well too, as levels shoot up, as you'll see from the saliva tests. We've looked at every container under the sun, but the tube works out the most convenient as it can easily go in a pocket or bag. I carry some wherever I go. It's also the cheapest. This is important to us as it means more can afford it. You'll see what I mean when you compare prices, the ProgestaCare is about double the price. The Natpro is very light so can be squeezed into a syringe, but that means wasting some. To give you some idea, an almond is about 1 millilitre in size. This would give you 16mg progesterone via the ProgestaCare, and 33.3mg via Natpro. I don't know anything about suitable syringes, but this site here has metric measuring spoons. Take care Wray

Aug 07, 2013
Early good results
by: Wray

Hi Beansprout Well you've answered my question! I thought you were only using 100mg/day, I'm pleased it's more than this, but yes it is costly. I can't remember if your vitamin D level was high, as this is so important to the efficacy of progesterone. Take care Wray

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