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Bleeding/spotting for over a year

by Chris
(Buffalo,NY)

I have never had a normal cycle since first starting my period when I was 13. I would go months and sometimes a year without a cycle. When I was 29, I had a baby girl with fertility help. The fertility doctor told me that I have " PCO tendencies". A year after I had her I started to get a somewhat maybe normal cycle. It was never heavy enough for a pad. Just spotting. Never any cramps or pain.

I am now 37 and I have been spotting for 14 months. I made the choice to start progesterone cream. I started the progesterone cream at 400 mg a day to stop the spotting/bleeding. The day after I started progesterone cream my light spotting turned to red heavier bleeding and the passing of clots. Along with cramps. I am now on 12 days of this. I am also taking 10,000 IU of Vitamin D3 and I started the PCO formula 5 days ago. I cannot take much more of this!!

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Feb 16, 2014
 Bleeding/spotting for over a year
by: RJ

Hello Chris!
Hang in there, from experience, I can tell you it will get better. Wray told me when I first contacted her that the progesterone will clean out the uterus...thus the heavy bleed and clots. Basically, my uterus was trying to heal itself and it has taken almost two years for me to finally say I have relief. This is not going to happen overnight. You have been having troubles for years and it will take quite some time for the natural remedies to work within your body. I will use up to 1,000 mg a day when my symptoms start to act up again and I have used the creme everyday for two years unless the stocks have run out. Stay on that vitamin D, but be sure to take K2, magnesium, boron and zinc with it as D cannot work alone....it will put that calcium in places you don't need it and will cause trouble. Wray also recommends NAC, at least 2,000 mg a day, it will help the uterus heal also and helps the spotting. Most of all don't give up....you have only started the cream and you just have to give it time to work. Be patient...it will work, as it has for so many women on this site. Take care and God Bless! RJ
Feb 17, 2014
 Thank God
by: Chris

I am so relieved to hear this is normal and that it is just a cleanse! I will continue to use it. I don't quit quite so easily. I am just so fed up with spotting and bleeding. I also ordered a progesterone test for my own curiosity. I am sure I had little to no progesterone in my body the way it has been for years! I am just ready for it to be over.
I just couldn't believe all of the clots that started coming out the day after starting the cream and for it to continue on so long. For a Uterus supposedly being the size of a walnut, I have certainly had enough come out to fill way more than a walnut!!

I am not using more than one pad a day since but the amount of clots was beginning to become a little disturbing. I am just so relieved to hear it is normal!
Feb 17, 2014
 Bleeding/spotting for over a year
by: RJ

Hello Chris!
I had clots that sometimes got as big as a tennis ball and I could always tell when they would pass...I'd cramp real bad and then out it would come as I was running to the bathroom as to not make a mess....I used to call my flow Niagara Falls...I could feel the rush of everything coming out and what a mess it was. If I remember correctly, they lasted a good six months or more after I started using Natpro. My uterus hasn't been the size of a walnut since I birthed an 11 pound girl 28 years ago and then two 10 pound boys LOL. Gives new meaning to "Stretch Armstrong". But think just how much estrogen we have put into our bodies since the day we were born and that cursed hormone is what builds the lining. Hormones in the meat we eat, sprayed on the veggies and fruits we eat, then we go out to eat and consume packaged foods and before we go out to eat we wash our hair with chemicals and then spray it with hairspray to make it look all nice and then fancy our faces with makeup loaded with chemicals. All estrogen chemicals and men are subjected to the same things so the estrogen builds in them and they are plagued with higher incidences of breast cancer. I look at estrogen and testosterone as cursed hormones...creating so much havoc for women as well as men. My son dealt with man boobs for such a long time, until I started using the creme on him too....too much testosterone, thus converting to estrogen, thus man boobs. As for the pads...I use one a day when flowing heavy now, usually do not wear one at night. But before the creme, I would use the Kotex overnights...used two side-by-side to the front and two side-by-side to the rear and that was during the day...night I wore more....adult diapers. The bleeding and spotting will get better for you and you'll have a reprieve before you hit peri-menopause and have to deal with all these issues once again. But if you stay on the creme from here on out, peri may be a breeze for you. Take care of yourself and God Bless! RJ
Feb 17, 2014
 Just when I think it is slowing down.......
by: Chris

I have a gush and clots again. Once I pass the clots it slows back to a light bleed. Half of the day will pass and more clots, then it slows back down again. I hope this is a sign it is slowing and healing. I also upped myself to 600 mg progesterone.
Feb 18, 2014
 Bleeding/spotting for over a year
by: RJ

Chris, that is the same thing that used to happen to me. Every now and then I still have that happen and that's when I up the dosage. The norm for me now is to bleed for about 14 days then it spots for a week and then I go three to four weeks of nothing...which is great. But this month I'm dealing with the nausea again...yuck. All estrogen related, so I'm using around 900 mg a day through this cycle, then I'll cut back down once the bleeding and spotting end. Give it time and try the NAC.

Google it on Wray's first page and all the information will come up how it heals the uterus and helps stop the bleeding. I will admit I do not use as much as Wray says, it likes to give me diarrhea, I only use about 800 mg a day, but from reading other women's post on here they are able to handle the 2,000 mg a day. Hang in there and I'll pray for better days ahead for you! God Bless! RJ
Feb 19, 2014
 bleeding, etc.
by: Anonymous

Hi, Chris, same symptoms, exactly. I used 850 a day, it slowed down, after HOURS not DAYS. Got impatient since it hadn't completely stopped, and after a couple days, took the plunge, went to 1200 a day, the clots stopped, again after a few hours, not days or weeks. Don't be scared to go high. Staying low, you're only prolonging your misery. Blessings.
Feb 21, 2014
 This is depressing
by: Anonymous

I really thought upping the dosage of progesterone to 600mg would make a difference. It hasn't. I am taking NAC and the nasty PCO formula and its just not stopping. I am bleeding/spotting more than I was before I even started the progesterone. I have now been on the progesterone for 3 weeks and it still feels like there is no end in sight. After already bleeding for over a year, I have about had enough. I am really not so sure the progesterone is even helping!
Feb 22, 2014
 This is getting depressing
by: Chris

I have now been on progesterone for almost 3 weeks. I upped myself to 600 mg a day. I am taking all of the recommended vitamins and the nasty PCO formula which I gag on almost every time I drink it. The bleeding/spotting has not gotten any better than it was before I started progesterone. If anything it is a little bit worse. I am now having to wear pads on a daily basis where before progesterone I was only spotting when I wiped. Now, I have little gushes during the day,

I am not so sure progesterone cream is what I needed?! I know it can take a while but you would think I would have at least noticed a little bit of benefit by now?
Feb 26, 2014
 Bleeding/spotting for over a year
by: RJ

Hello Chris,
Type my name into the google bar on Wray's first page and read my story. I went through all your frustrations and even had Wray at one point finally tell me she just didn't know what else to suggest. Three weeks is such a short time. Remember you have been having this problem for over a year and if I remember correctly you have had troubles for a long time before that. All that estrogen is built up and remember it's not all in your uterus...it's everywhere in your body...but our uterus' really like it...thus the bleed and the clots and the cramps and so on. Do not give up. You have three options....which I will tell you I have done all of them....first, you can go to the doctor who will do all kinds of test and either perform surgery or prescribe pills...but remember those are just bandaid fixes/systematic treatments....if you do not treat the root of the problem, the problem/s will return.

Second, do nothing. Quit the progesterone because you feel that maybe it's the one causing all your troubles and it's making things worse and not helping. But remember you had the problem way before you introduced progesterone into your system so how can it be creating your symptoms currently. Then third, up the dosage, start high and get it over with...the gushes (I call them Niagara Falls or the dam has broken), the clots, the spotting, the cramps and just plow forward because eventually progesterone will become the dominant hormone, but up until then it's going to act like the excess estrogen is acting in your system right now. Weather through it and do not give up. Two years it has taken me. I cannot remember back, but if I would read my older posts it would refresh my memory, I can tell you for a fact that at three weeks into the usage I was a basket case...just plain old nuts, doubting and questioning everything that was going on with me. Take a deep breath and listen to your body and you will begin to notice when things happen to you during the day and month. Keep a log of how and what you feel after you take the creme and then add to it every hour.

It will be a life saver for you come a year from now or even six months for that matter. The comparisons will put your mind and body at rest. Your body will start doing things like clockwork and you will see a pattern developing. It so helps doing that and I'm so glad I am. Makes me not worry any longer. Hang in there Chris, it will all work out! God Bless! RJ
Feb 27, 2014
 Bleeding/Spotting for over a year
by: Chris

Yesterday was weird. I had a huge heavy flow again with mounds of cramps. I took an extra 1000 mg of NAC before bed and Ibuprofen to stop the aching and cramps. I was almost sure I was giving birth.....lol I passed a large amount of clots all day yesterday. How does ones body make so much stuff? It is kinda like having a cold.... how does ones nose make so much snot?...ha!

This morning I woke up and the bleeding was much less than yesterday. Thank Goodness. I am sure it will still do the morning gushes and evening gushes.

I feel good, though. I am not weak or tired. I feel just fine. I also have taurine and bioflavonoids on the way. Even if my uterus decides to not work properly, I guess the rest of me will anyway......

Oh, I also upped to 800mg progesterone 2 days ago. I think maybe I will just ignore my uterus. Maybe it will go away?.....haha
Feb 27, 2014
 I also wonder
by: Chris

if it could be the cream I am using? Maybe it isnt absorbing well enough? I am using the Source Natural Kind. I wonder if it isnt absorbing as fast as it should be or as good as it should and I am not really getting what I need from it? I am using the 800 mg a day of it but maybe it isnt giving me the 800mg? Any experience with this kind???

I did order some Natpro.
Feb 27, 2014
 Bleeding//spotting for over a year
by: Chris

Keep that sense of humor, Chris. It is what will help you get through it. Quickly want to give my theory on the morning and nighttime gushes. I had them also...put a towel under me and between my legs when I got up first thing. We have been laying down all night then we sit/stand and gravity brings everything out that has been accumulating all night. Nighttime, if you are not taking it hourly, as Wray suggested to me in the beginning, your progesterone level has dropped and now estrogen gets it way with you....clots, heavy bleeding, cramps. Don't give up...sounds like you are seeing some light at the end of the tunnel with the flow lightening up throughout the day. God Bless! RJ
Mar 02, 2014
 Bleeding/Spotting for over a year
by: Chris

Still passing nice healthy clots and lots of blood. I think I might start naming them. They are almost big enough for names.....haha

Anyway, I was talking to my mother and she informed me she started perimenopause when she was about 35. I am almost 38. I suppose that might be why my hormones decided to start acting idiotic about 1.5 years ago? She didn't have all the crazy bleeding I am having but she also wasn't taking progesterone to level out hormones either. Plus, she didnt suffer from " PCO tendencies" like I do either. She said she wuit bleeding all together when she was 50. 12 more years to go!! Wahoo!!...haha

Still waiting on my taurine to be delivered. I am still feeling fine and am not weak or tired. I keep myself well nourished and pumped with vitamins.
Mar 04, 2014
 Laying off
by: Chris

The higher I go in mg the more I bleed. I am now soaking a pad every 1/2 hour at times and losing mounds of clots. I cant even go out of the house at this point. It just keeps getting worse and worse. I have been doing this regimen for over a month now. Nothing is getting better. I am going to end up hospitalized if I continue bleeding like this.

I am going to stop the cream. I would much rather have the little spotting I had before the cream than bleed to death.
Mar 05, 2014
 Bleeding/spotting for over a year
by: Joy

Hi Chris

Heavy continual bleeding/spotting is the pits, I know I have been there. It is not an easy thing to resolve in that it does take time provided the correct protocol is followed. Progesterone alone cannot do it on it's own, it needs the help of other amino acids etc as listed below. So many women have achieved excellent results by following it, but you must take exactly what is stated, leaving anything out will either take longer to resolve, or not work at all. Please try the following DAILY:

* Natpro - 400mg to 500mg/per day * N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) * 2000mg/per day Taurine * 2000mg/per day * Vitamin D - 5000iu's/per day more if vitamin D level is low * Bioflavanoids - 1000mg/per day

Please ignore all that you hear about “do not take this and do not take that”. This is what we have found to work exceptionally well. I have read on a post here stating that bioflavonoids is not good, this is so untrue.

The choice of progesterone cream is also very important as the correct progesterone concentration is needed – see here. The use of progesterone can cause certain changes to take place and the red, heavier bleeding and clots that you have experienced is perfectly normal. Progesterone, being an anti-oxidant, is now clearing out the estrogen build up around the lining of your uterus, a good sign. Can be frightening if you do not know what is happening. Please do not stop using the cream or the nutrients/amino acids. Progesterone is also an excellent anti-inflammatory, please rub the cream on any painful area as needed. This can take anything from 2 – 6 months before benefits are felt, sometimes longer, it all depends on how severe the symptoms are. I am dealing with 3 other similar cases, 2 of them followed the protocol with excellent results, and the other one did not follow it and is still battling.

You are on a good amount of Vitamin D, but do you know what your level is, you may need a booster. Please do not forget the co-factors when taking vitamin D. You will notice that the protocol contains higher amounts compared to the PCO Formula, I feel you should stop taking it after you have all the nutrients mentioned above, focus on the Heaving Bleeding first. Once you have this under control, you can continue with the PCO Formula, if needed.

Continued ....

Mar 05, 2014
 Bleeding/spotting for over a year
by: Joy

Hi Chris

You also need to be aware of Peri-Menopause, at 37 you are heading that way I am afraid, nothing we can do about the natural aging process. Now this a difficult and challenging time for most women, a time when most doctors prefer to opt for hysterectomies, which is most unnecessary unless it’s cancer related. Progesterone is vital now as it will help you and will also prepare you for Menopause. By the way progesterone is excellent for cancer too – see here and here.

I know it’s difficult, but stick with it.

Hope this helps you.
Mar 05, 2014
 Bleeding//spotting for over a year
by: RJ

Chris, Joy said it all. It is most definitely your choice on what protocol you follow, but remember you have been having these troubles for a long time and you cannot expect your body to fix a long running problem in a month. It just cannot do it. I will also tell you if you stop the creme cold turkey you are going to fell like the world is crashing down on you. Be careful how you stop if you choose that path. Your bleeding may slow down a bit but after a few days it's going to rev up like there's no tomorrow. I have had everything you are going through and I will tell you it will only get worse for you if you go back to the protocol you followed a year ago because peri is fast approaching for you since your mother started menopause early too. We tend to follow our mothers on that issue. It took me two years to be able to finally say I am able to take control over it. Prayers that you are able to find patience and healing. God Bless! RJ
Mar 05, 2014
 Bleeding
by: Chris

I am just afraid that all of this bleedimg is going to take its toll. Is it not dangerous to bleed like this?
Mar 06, 2014
 Bleeding
by: Chris

I am now taking all of the recommended vitamins and supplements for heavy bleeding. I am just scared that all of the bleeding is a bad thing and is going to cause hospitalization if it continues like this.

If I am going to continue this journey I am buying diapers for at night. I'm not kidding......
Mar 06, 2014
 Bleeding/spotting for over a year
by: RJ

Chris, it is scary to bleed like that...I did for many months with no stopping, it may have lightened up only to begin heavy a few days later. The only thing I had trouble with was fatigue and dizziness which I contributed to the heavy bleed...maybe it was something else but I figured the bleed. I did not take iron supplements as we live in the country and our well water has plenty of iron in it. You are at the point where I was at when Wray finally had to say to me I don't know what else to suggest. I didn't go to the doctor and have a bunch of tests run...didn't have the money for it and have had very bad experiences with traditional doctors. I just plowed forward....I didn't have a choice. Again, one month is no time at all for any natural remedy to begin to work. You could have a fibroid which is causing the heavy bleed and I know there is a site that Wray suggests women read who have fibroids...it's a male doctor and he explains what a fibroid does and why it causes trouble...maybe Joy knows who I am talking about and can send the link to you. Read that...it helped me quite a bit. Diapers I understand. At night I used up to six or seven Kotex overnights, with a towel handy. You must have a ton of estrogen built up, as I did and I can't say it enough....two years it has taken me and if stress goes up things get out of whack again for me and I up the dosage. There just isn't anymore anyone can suggest. But you have to do what eases your mind. Whether it be a doctor's opinion, stopping the dosage altogether, or staying on this current protocol you are on with the usage of progesterone and all the supplements...you have to decide. Myself, I stayed on the latter and waited, yes worried alot, but it paid off. God Bless! RJ
Mar 06, 2014
 Bleeding, etc.
by: Anonymous

Well, I took Floradix to offset the iron loss, and as far as protecting yourself--ya gotta do whatcha gotta do! I took plenty of P cream to get over this. I GOT OVER IT!! You will too. Be patient. Low amounts will only prolong your misery. Winston Churchill said, "If you're going through hell, keep going!" KEEP GOING!! Blessings
Mar 06, 2014
 Progress? Maybe??
by: Chris

The huge clots have stopped! Still bleeding through a super tampon in an hour. The bleeding has become "watery". Its not as deep red but still coming out fast. I hope the end of the huge clots are a good sign? Now if I could just get the bleeding to slow down!

Thank You, RJ and Joy for helping me through this!
Mar 07, 2014
 Progress? Maybe??
by: Joy

Hi Chris

Progress indeed, what wonderful news!! Things are starting to settle down a little. The clotting is caused by estrogen build up in the uterus and progesterone is cleaning it out, all good news! You may still get a clot or two, so please do not become despondent, just keep plodding on. Patience is the key issue now. Keep taking and using what you are.

Best of luck.
Mar 08, 2014
 Something is happening ( or not)!
by: Chris

I have had the same pad on sine 3:00 and it is now 9:30, six and a half hours! It hardly has a drop on it. There is still some bleed when I wipe but I'm slowing down! Yay! Lets hope it doesn't show back up again.......... I am still feeling crampy and bloated but I havent had to take motrin all day!

Will keep you posted!
Mar 11, 2014
 Bleeding/spotting for over a year
by: RJ

Hello Chris!
Patience can heal so much. Give it time and don't stress over it as this will cause everything to go haywire too. There is light at the end of the tunnel for you. Hang in there, don't stress and most of all be patient! God Bless! RJ
Apr 13, 2014
 Update
by: Chris

I am happy to report I haven't had a drip of blood in the past 2-3 weeks. Not a trace! Even though caking myself in progesterone 2 times a day is a pain in the rear end.... it sure beats the alternative!
Apr 13, 2014
 Bleeding/spotting for over a year
by: RJ

Hello Chris!
This is good news for you! Patience, faith and time...lots of time. Now once you get stabilized just continue on with that dosage....I wouldn't change any of it for at least a year. Then re-evaluate. Remember it's not a quick fix. Best of luck to you in the future! God Bless! RJ
Nov 22, 2015
 Heavy bleeding after ending BHRT
by: Cricket

I stopped taking BHRT and started bleeding with clots so heavily, I couldn't leave the house. Went to my OB/GYN and she prescribed 40mg progesterone pills twice a day. Within one day, the flow was 99% stopped and I backed off to once a day. However, at 61, she said my lining should be at 5 and it is at 25 (not sure what the measurement is). They took a biopsy and will know the results next week. She said a hysterectomy may be in order but I read that surgery is often overprescribed and often unnecessary. I feel great now with the progesterone. No bleeding or foggy brain. Could the progesterone thin down that lining enough to avoid surgery? Would appreciate your thoughts.

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