Progesterone does make you gain weight

by corky
(new york)

I've been on progesterone pretty much for the last 4 years and in the last 4 years I have had such a hard time losing weight. When I was off the progesterone for 6 months I was able to lose 20lbs then i went back on and it all came back. I've been on 200 mg for the last six months and going to weight watchers and moderate exercise and my weight has stayed within 5 lbs, it's gotta to stop.

I don't believe any of the progesterone theories anymore.
I'm stopping it completely.

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May 31, 2013
Progesterone does make you gain weight
by: Lynne

How much are you using? Its possible that you aren't using enough and therefore staying in Estrogen Dominance where estrogen remains the dominant hormone. Also, what delivery system are you using? Oral? Creams? But at the end of the day, if you feel better off the progesterone and are able to lose weight easier when you are off of it, then maybe for you, its better not to take it.

Everyone is different... I've always heard that weight training will not make a woman bulk up. Well, I DO and it does nothing for the fat sitting on top of the muscles. So I know the frustration of something not working when all the evidence/studies point in the other direction.

Jun 01, 2013
Progesterone does make you gain weight
by: Carol K

Hi there

I felt I had to comment on your statement because I do not believe this to be true. I believe that Estrogen makes you fat, along with lots of other things :). You have not mentioned which brand of Progesterone you are using, but even if you are using Natpro it seems that you have remained in Estrogen dominance. That is just my guess and I am sure Wray will have a more scientific explanation. Progesterone Cream is a wonderful diuretic and I lost a lot of the "puffiness" in my legs when I first started using Natpro and applied it to my thighs. Perhaps you need to look elsewhere for your failure to lose weight. I don't think that Progesterone is the culprit.

All the best.
Carol.

Jun 03, 2013
Same experience -- weight gain!
by: Anonymous

Hi,

I am new to this forum and have not yet ordered Natpro, BUT have used other "high quality" all-natural progesterone transdermal serums and creams (specifically, one by Premier Research Labs).

Whenever I tried progesterone cream in the past, I too experienced rapid, massive weight gain! Also, extreme swelling and tenderness in the breasts, as well as overall puffiness from fluid retention. Mind you, I ALREADY suffer from these awful symptoms, and every other Estrogen Dominance symptom on the list, and have for most of my life--I'm 31 now--so to see the symptoms worsen suddenly, was terrifying to me!

I'm intrigued by what Wray seems to advocate, which is that we must use a MUCH higher dose (I've no clue how much I was using previously but it wasn't more than 100mg, that's for sure).

I am curious to hear your response, Wray, as I would like to try Natpro but am terrified of worsening the estrogen dominance issues again.

I'm on natural desiccated thyroid hormone replacement, FYI, which helps a lot, though it does almost nothing for my weight gain, water retention, breast swelling. Very perplexing indeed.

Thanks!

Jun 05, 2013
Same experience -- weight gain!
by: Wray

Hi there I actually wasn't going to answer the above post, as I've repeated myself ad nauseum on the web site about weight gain, and she's determined it's the culprit. One of our longest pages is on weight gain, there are many others too. In fact putting 'weight gain' into the search field I've come up with 10 pages referring to it, each page has 10 pages, each of which has dozens of comments and my answers, which must total about 1000 comments. I'm becoming exhausted in repeating myself! These are two of them here and here. Briefly oestrogen is a mitogenic, excitatory, inflammatory hormone. It stimulates cells, including fat cells, to proliferate. It also causes water retention. Both cause weight to increase. By using too little progesterone it stimulates oestrogen, hence the adverse side affects people get when using too little. There's more info on our Oestrogen Dominance page and our Menstruation page. I think the most graphic example of the affects of low progesterone is a study done on cancer. Too little progesterone they found only caused the cancer to worsen, see here. Carol who has made a comment above, has been using Natpro for years now and has found it's helped her. She's just been through an op and the one thing her surgeon allowed her to continue was the progesterone. Maybe the thought of a woman dripping wet with a Hot Flush on the table was too much for him! I think Carol has been up to 600mg/day progesterone but she would be the best to answer that. Take care Wray

Jun 05, 2013
Progesterone does make you gain weight
by: Carol K

The best way I can describe is that we should view Estrogen as the "wild child" - it's part of us and we need it but we cannot allow it to get out of hand, otherwise we will suffer the consequences. I see Progesterone as the Discipline. Too little discipline and the child will still give problems. Enough discipline and the wild child will behave. The tricky part is working out how much is enough because we are all different. The biggest mistake people make is they use too little Progesterone, get symptoms of Estrogen dominance, blame the Progesterone and automatically REDUCE it, which is the worst thing they can do, as all they are doing is creating the Estrogen Dominance. I now use about 400 mg a day. I have tried reducing it and felt awful. I feel my best on this amount, which is quite a lot, but what else can I do. I would rather feel well. Everyone has to find what amount works for them. The way I see it, if you have symptoms, you are not using enough.
Good luck
Carol.

Jun 05, 2013
Progesterone and cancer
by: Anonymous

I am kind of bothered by the statement about to little progesterone causes cancer by stimulating estrogen. My question is if a woman has used high amounts as myself for many years wouldn't her family be absorbing small amounts from her stimulating estrogen in their bodies ie when you hold children or even pets. The reason I ask is because I had a small dog who I was constantly holding, about two years after I started progesterone she developed breast cancer it may sound silly to some but it's like when men use testosterone creams they say to avoid application sight from others.
Thank you for you reply in advance

Jun 06, 2013
Progesterone and cancer
by: Wray

Hi there No where did I say too little progesterone 'causes' cancer. If you look at the paper I gave you, they found if someone had cancer, using too little would stimulate it. There's plenty of evidence that having too much oestrogen can lead to Cancer. And plenty of evidence that progesterone suppresses oestrogen and cancers. All topical hormones can be transferred to another if after applying them they touch that person or animal. But bear in mind it would have to be directly after applying it, as they are absorbed quickly into the skin. It would be essential if applying topical oestrogen and testosterone to avoid a human or animal of the opposite sex, as it has a significant affect. But progesterone is not a sex hormone, so can be used safely on all humans and animals and both sexes. There's more about this on our Traumatic Brain Injury page. Amounts over 1200mg/day are given to the victims via IV transfusion, over 70% are men. Take care Wray

Jun 06, 2013
I have low estrogen too
by: Corky

So I use 200mg progesterone cream, compounded, with 2 mg bi-est. My estradiol was 8., 12, like that on no estrogen in the last year. My last lab test was this:

Progesterone: 0.6 ng/dl (not sure which level, i have no periods for 10 months, then 11 months, then 9 months, then a short spotting, so I start the count all over)

I also have one ovary and tube, which at times is barely visible on sonogram.

Estradiol: 36.1 pg/ml

Prior to this lab, i was off estrogen for 3 months, and was using an OTC progesterone 20mg a day and prgenelone 15mg a day.

The day before the test, I put on 1.5mg of bi-est and 25mg of progesterone to see what results would be. Because in the past when I have not applied any estrogen, my estradiol drops to 8, and 12, pg/ml

In other doctor's books, I've read that estradiol needs to be at 100 pg/ml to feel well, and to have good skin, libido. I have none of these things since my surgery 7 years ago.

Last October I had been on 200mg of progesterone for one month, and my lab came in at : 1.72 ng/ml and my estradiol 9 pg/ml, I had no used the cream a day before the test, so again, the estradiol drops low when not on a cream for a day.

So looking at these progesterone levels, and the low estradiol, you say I'm estrogen dominant still?

How can I get my estradiol to 100 to feel a libido, using what dose of progesterone?

When we are young and menstruating, we only make 20mg of progesterone a day, and the rest of that time more estrogen. When I was young I had the strongest libido, then when my ovary came out, nothing left.

I understand progesterone comes mostly from the ovary and I have none, and estrogen is in fat tissues, and I'm overweight, but I've been on progesterone for five years, and also on it with and without estrogen, and I feel no different.

I can't wrap my mind around taking high doses of progesterone when our bodies never made that much unless we are pregnant.

What do you think of those progesterone lab levels? What should a good progesterone level be to feel balanced?

Jun 06, 2013
...one more thing
by: Corky

When I check symptoms, I have mostly low estrogen, and only three low progesterone symptoms. And I also have low cortisol symptoms, low thyroid symptoms, and I am on thyroid treatment, but it seems most of this time I'm having Reverse T3 as well. I also had high SHBG and not sure what is causing that either.

Maybe I have to stop it all, but when I lower my thyroid dose, I start to get worsening muscle pains and fatigue.

Jun 06, 2013
I have low estrogen too
by: Wray

Hi Corky I fail to see why you blame progesterone when you are on oestrogen too! Why not blame that? It would make more sense. As I said above "oestrogen is a mitogenic, excitatory, inflammatory hormone. It stimulates cells, including fat cells, to proliferate. It also causes water retention. Both cause weight to increase. By using too little progesterone it stimulates oestrogen, hence the adverse side affects people get when using too little." By using oestrogen with the progesterone it will get you nowhere, the progesterone can't help if you do that. If we take your Progesterone: 0.6 ng/dl and the Estradiol: 36.1 pg/ml, your ratio is only 17:1 which is extremely low, so it's hardly surprising you are getting nowhere. If using your other test results of progesterone 1.72 ng/ml, estradiol 9 pg/ml, it went up to 191:1, but still low. If you look at the Saliva Tests we run you'll notice ratios of 600:1 and over. That's when you'll feel well, as these women do. Other women on this site have said that we need 100 pg/ml oestradiol to feel well, but I've found no study to support this. Oestradiol lowers Libido, whereas progesterone plays a far bigger role than most realise. The other essentials for a good libido are vitamin D and dopamine. When young we do make 5-20, some say 40mg/day, but not more oestrogen. When young we are also ovulating every month, when older we don't, so oestrogen rises in ratio to progesterone. Removing the ovaries not only removes oestradiol production but progesterone too, something you seem to overlook. You don't say how old you are, but as you had your ovaries removed you are now in Menopause. You are right, progesterone does come from the ovaries, and oestrogen also comes from fat cells. Small amounts of progesterone come from other areas, but too small to make a difference to excess oestrogen which you evidently have. If you are overweight you will be secreting excess oestrogen. The reason for using high amounts of progesterone is that low amounts don't work. I still haven't found out what these low oestrogen symptoms are that other women mention, maybe you could tell me? Oestrogen is an excitatory, inflammatory hormone, so it doesn't surprise me you have muscle pains and fatigue when you lower your thyroid dose, oestrogen slows the thyroid down. It also sounds as if you are low in vitamin D too, as both this and progesterone prevent muscle pains and fatigue. Please have a vitamin D test done. Take care Wray

Jun 06, 2013
It's all so confusing, but thank you
by: Corky

I will ask my doctor to keep the bi est separate and use just the 200mg of progesterone for a little longer. I do agree that I must have extra estrogen in my 30lbs of overweight fat around my breast, stomach, and hips, but I'm still not entirely convinced on this issue. But I will stop the estrogen again. When I stopped it for four months, and was using 40mg of OTC progesterone and some pregnenlone, I still could not lose weight. When I added the bi est in, I seem to lose and gain the same 5lbs.

I wonder if I should stop it all? At this point, I suppose a few months on 200mg with no estrogen isn't going to make me worse. I've been 30lbs overweight for the last 5 years, struggling, a little longer shouldn't matter.

Thank you. I'm so frustrated and still somewhat unconvinced about the libido and progesterone. When I was young I had endometriosis, so high estrogen, and a very high libido. Now I feel like I have no estrogen, and no libido. If we weren't making 200 or higher mg of progesterone a day, than to me it seems higher estradiol and testosterone build the libido. I understand all that you've researched, and I will hang in there a bit longer, but still on the fence with the progesterone.



Jun 07, 2013
Progesterone does make you gain weight
by: Carol K

Hi Corky
I don't think we should blame our poor hormones for everything including weight gain and failure to lose weight. I believe there are very few people who are unable to lose weight with an appropriate diet and exercise. It sounds like you could also be feeling a bit low and perhaps looking at your diet and getting involved in exercise if you are not already doing so, may just be what you need :).
Good luck
Regards
Carol.

Jun 07, 2013
It's all so confusing, but thank you
by: Wray

Hi Corky I'm puzzled why you say you're not convinced, when your ratio is way out. And not only that but oestrogen is a known mitogen, it causes cells to proliferate. Which is why the lining of the uterus builds up each month during the follicular phase. Why eggs develop and mature once a month. Why subcutaneous fat develops on us during puberty, and why this increases when we go through Peri-menopause, with it's dropping progesterone levels and normal oestrogen. And also why it's implicated in Cancer. You might not find the 200mg/day enough, and will probably need more. Simply because you have a great deal of oestrogen, plus you were taking more. Your levels of estradiol might be low, but it should be if you're in peri-M, you don't say how old you are. Using 40mg/day progesterone would have made matters worse, so it doesn't surprise me you didn't loose any weight. Please read that page I gave you on libido, I see you couldn't have done so. As it's all explained there, the most important factor is dopamine, not the hormones. Testosterone has a very small role in libido, including that of men. There are papers on the page I've given, and you might like to see this comment here from one man. Take care Wray

Jun 11, 2013
I'll try it a bit longer
by: Corky

To carol: i exercise 3x or more a week, cardio and muscle building, not as intense as I'd like b/c I suffer from muscle pain, dizzyness, and exercise fatigue. I'm also on thyroid medication too. I go to weight watchers and track, and move, and yet, still stuck at this weight, give or take 5lbs up and down over the last year.

I renewed an RX that has 3 months left on it for 200mg of compounded progesterone cream. I will use that daily for the next two months. I also could add some of the OTC cream 2x a day to bring it to 240mg of progesterone.

I still suffer 3 day migraines every few weeks, and I'm in the middle of one right now. I stopped the bi-est more than a week ago. However, even on the estrogen and progesterone for the last five years, and even prior to that, after my ovary/tube was removed, and was on no HRT, I had these migraines. I never had these migraines when I cycled regularly and was younger.

I'm 53, with one ovary, and the other barely visible on scans, and with cycles that began skipping every few months, 4 years ago, then on HRT with the bi-est and cycling progesterone 14 days, still only a few periods. I was told that was because my estrogen was not high enough to build a lining to shed even while cycling in the progesterone to stimulate a shed. So this is why I'm of the theory that i need more estrogen as well.

In the last three years, while on continuous bi-est with progesterone, I've had a cycle once in 11 mnths, then 10 months, then 9 months. In December I had 2 day spotting and that was after I stopped my estrogen for a few weeks.

So I believe that even with my 2mg of bi-est for most of the last 4 years, and 100 to 200mg of progesterone 14 days a month, and not shedding, there was not enough estrogen there to build a lining.

Be that as it may, I am going to stick with 200mg and I'll use some OTC until I get back to my doctor after the summer. He actually wanted me to take 400mg a day, so I'm sure when I see him I can get him to give me that dose to continue on for awhile.

I hope you correct and the research you mention is true. But every person's body is different, and reacts different to outside supplementing.

I will see how it goes for the next two months without the bi-est. I've been off the bi-est before and had more hot flashes, mood swings, rages, and I don't like living that way. The estrogen helped me with that.

Jun 12, 2013
I'll try it a bit longer
by: Wray

Hi Corky I'm puzzled why you should question the research, please read the papers I gave you and make up your own mind about them. None are from blogs, all are from reputable sources. There's evolutionary evidence we should not be having the 400 odd periods we get in a lifetime, but should be nearer the 100 mark as it was with women living hundreds of years ago. And as it is with rural women living now, see here. These are two others worth reading, see here and here. I don't know why you think you should still be having a cycle. You are either in Peri-menopause, when bleeding does become more erratic as the ovaries are slowing down. Or you are in Menopause, but because you're still using the oestrogen it's forcing the system to keep going. If you have muscle pain I would suspect your vitamin D is too low, possibly magnesium too, please have a test done. And if you get Migraines, then your progesterone is too low, so is vitamin D as both prevent them. I don't think the 200mg/day is enough, so I don't think you'll see much change over the next 2 months. Take care Wray

Jun 12, 2013
I'll try it a bit longer
by: Corky

Thank you for all your advice. I just did another ratio with another lab, and it came in 38:1, progesterone: 3.0 ng/ml, Estradiol: 68.5 pg/ml in serum, not saliva. My testosterone free: 3.6 ng/ml also came out low in ratio.

A huge part of me agrees with the research you cite, as well as other books I've read, but I see just as much research and evidence to the estrogen helping more issue.

It's up to me to keep at and find which works best. I have always cycled in progesterone, done it alone, done estrogen alone, and all three together. I had better sleep, no more rages, and less hot flashes, but still lingering issues.

My vitamin D was 67, and I will up my dose to 6000 iu for a month or so and re test. I take 800 mg of magnesium citrate to bowel tolerance, and lower when needed.

I'm off the estrogen now as you suggest. I have never done anything higher than 100mg of progesterone alone, so I'm going to do the 200mg a lone, and I even get a RX for 400mg at my next visit and try to edge up.

If I find that my weight goes up quickly again while following my healthy guidelines and exercise, I'm going to most likely stop everything for several months.

Again, thank you for your time, it's frustrating that there is so much out there on both sides; many women's experiences on progesterone that were awful, and some that said it was the only help.

I was getting very frustrated, and also leery about that much progesterone when our natural bodies never produced that much day to day.

Time will tell. I'll try this for three months to see what develops.

Jun 14, 2013
I'll try it a bit longer
by: Wray

Hi Corky Your ratio is actually 44:1, that's if you take the figures you've given me. Oh yes you'll find many studies on how beneficial oestrogen is. After all billions were being made selling it to women as HRT. Billions were lost too, after the WHI study and the Million Woman study came out showing it increased the risk of....

breast, ovarian and endometrial cancer
heart disease including strokes, clots and heart attacks
fibroid growth
C-reactive protein (a marker for inflammation)
incontinence
impaired cognition and dementia
insulin resistance
abnormal mammograms
deaths from lung cancer

Particularly combined with a progestin. So why take the risk when progesterone has none? I suggest you read our page on Progesterone and Vitamin D. You'll get an idea of what progesterone actually does in the body. And of course women are saying they feel awful on progesterone, the web blogs are littered with it. Have you asked them all how much they were using? And how high their level of oestrogen was? Don't be surprised if nothing happens on the 200mg, or you go backwards, remember you are full of oestrogen which has to be suppressed. Take care Wray

Jun 16, 2013
To add a different perspective...
by: Verleen

And to back up the research that Wray has posted and quotes…

As a heart patient, I am very tiny…at 42, I am lucky if I can hit and maintain 120 pounds, therefore one of the greatest risk factors for high blood pressure and CHF never existed with me…

And my point to this post is that since using natural progesterone and upping my dose, I've been struggling even more to maintain my weight!! It most definitely does not cause weight gain!

When I was estrogen dominant, I was still tiny, but could stay at 120 much easier, it wasn't hard at all.

However, rebalancing with the Progesterone causes me to lose weight regularly and to become dehydrated…my doc was even aware of these issues and being a bit dehydrated at my last appointment, I got in trouble for it…and I understand why, since I know that I need to compensate and make sure I don't get dehydrated.

Right now, I've dropped again to 118 and am showing more signs of dehydration! …and no, I do not take a prescription diuretic of any type. We had to do away with those over a year ago, due to the fact that once the fluid from the ascites was processed out, I dehydrate super easily.

If you're gaining, or can't lose, it's estrogen dominance.

Jun 17, 2013
Full of estrogen???
by: Corky

You are so informative, so I have another question. I have read that estrogen is in fat tissue, that it get's deposited on hips, and belly. Most of my fat 30lbs, is all over, but more in rear, hips, belly, upper thighs.

How come, when I use the bi-est estrogen and take a blood sample four hours later, I'll get to around 68pgml, sometimes lower 32pg/ml.

Then when I do a blood draw after non application for 24 hours, my serum estradiol drops to 8pg/ml?

I was told on other forums that push the estrogen, and also Dr. Vliet, Dr. Northrop, Uzi Reiss, to name a few books, that estrogen drops out of the body, and one should use 2 dose a day to stay constant.

Even my thyroid doctor who prescribes my bio HRT said the same. He said you serum is low b/c you didn't apply the cream, it leaves the body.

But then I see men with moobies as they get older, and I read it's that their estrogen is out of balanced with their testosterone, and man make very little estrogen, right?

So you're saying that even though my estradiol drops down low after one day of non use of cream, that somewhere, that serum doesn't show, I am full of estrogen, that it is stored from years of use, and from other sources, and I should stay away from it entirely.

The cream that is coming today is 200mg. I will be seeing another hormone doctor in July. I could try to use two doses a day, but in 2 weeks I'll be out. Is that enough time, 2 weeks, to know if 400mg is better, or should I stay on 200mg, use some OTC 20mg cream, and wait until next month and ask for a higher dose of cream?

I'm willing to give this a go, but there is that little person in my head that is still worried that it's too much.

At this point, all I've really wanted was a libido. My marriage is not what is was prior to my ovary removal 7 years ago. It was if they took everything out, all my problems started then, thyroid too.

I'm almost willing to stop it all. At this point 7 years of no marriage bed, I feel like I've tried too long. I want those thoughts to come back, I want that wanting feeling to come back. I want to look at a good looking man and be like, wow, and have a fantasy. I feel and have felt for 7 years like a 12 year old girl, boys are icky. Who wants all that.

Its very sad.


Jun 18, 2013
To add a different perspective...
by: Wray

Hi Verleen Thanks for giving Corky those words of encouragement. I must add here that Corky is using 200mg/day and oestrogen, which is counterintuitive. And you are using 600mg/day which will make all the difference. It's essential to use enough to prevent any stimulation of oestrogen. Plus you've given more useful info. You mention you occasionally become dehydrated and once used diuretics. Well there's not a better diuretic than progesterone, it's given to Traumatic Brain Injury victims to prevent any oedema, and inflammation, forming. Of course oestrogen causes water retention, see here, here, here and here. So the more oestrogen one has the more likely to retain water. Many have found constipation problems ease once using progesterone, as oestrogen is drawing water from the gut and putting it in the tissues, see here.
“I had absolutely no side effects. They are supposed to cause constipation and this has always been a problem for me. Weirdly, when I take the progesterone I feel great, have more energy and my bowels are regular!” Take care Wray

Jun 18, 2013
Full of estrogen???
by: Wray

Hi Corky Fat cells secrete oestrogen, it's not so much a storage system, so the oestrogen will then enter the blood stream. So if you supplement with it and have a test your level will be higher than having a test when not. I'm not interested in what others say about oestrogen, I've read enough studies to convince myself that extra is not needed, that in fact can be dangerous. Plus we get over 100 oestrogen mimics from our environment, it's everywhere, see Our Stolen Future. All hormones are metabolised, mainly by the liver, it's a natural course of events. Man Boobs are caused by excess oestrogen in the environment, mostly from the food and drink they eat. Most meat in the States has had growth hormone added, milk too. Many pesticides are oestrogenic, so it doesn't only affect men, but women and all animals. I'm not saying your oestrogen is stored and that this is the problem. I said your ratio is out of balance, that's the critical factor, not the amount. It doesn't surprise me your problems started when they removed the ovaries, it's the main source of progesterone and no one seems to take this into account. Read what I put in our libido page and try taking some of the supplements suggested. Take care Wray

Jun 18, 2013
Here is Dr.Vliet's idea
by: Corky

See here.

This is just one experience, I have read her book and she says progesterone makes you fat.

I'm willing to stay off it for two months at 200mg of progesterone to see. I may also go to 400 but if i gain, i'm stopping everything.

Jun 18, 2013
Here is Dr.Vliet's idea
by: Wray

Hi Corky I'm not going to argue with you anymore, you must do as you see fit. But one thing I will say Dr Vliet gives no reference papers at all. I've no idea where she got the idea progesterone causes fat storage when pregnant. Oestrogen is a mitogen, progesterone inhibits mitosis, what could be more simple than that? This is just one paper here on the topic. Take care Wray

Jun 18, 2013
Here is Dr.Vliet's idea
by: Carol K

I hope that Wray does not waste any more of her precious time in answering this post. You seem determined to try and prove her wrong, so I suggest you go ahead and see what works for you. You have the information, Wray has told you what she thinks and given you lots of back-up evidence and yet you still challenge her. Did she not say that 200mg will not be sufficient and yet you are determined to use that amount? Why? Because if you prove her "wrong" you can say that Progesterone makes you fat not Estrogen. Wray has said "Don't be surprised if nothing happens on the 200mg, or you go backwards, remember you are full of oestrogen which has to be suppressed".I think she has said it all.

Jun 18, 2013
Here is Dr.Vliet's idea
by: JL

Hi Wray

I really have to commend you for your time and patience with Corky. She certainly is hell bent in not taking your advice. Such a pity.

I have been using progesterone now for 10 years and I use it every day. Depending on my stress levels will determine how much I use, there has been occasions when I have used a tube of Natpro a week. Now I am small in stature and weigh around 51/52kgs. Guess what, I have weighed that for 15 years. Progesterone DOES NOT put on weight.

All I can say is, good luck Corky. And to Wray, I bless the day I met you.

:)

Jun 19, 2013
Forums are for discussion...I thought!
by: Corky

I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. There is so much out there on both sides of the issue. I said I would try to get on 400mg for awhile. And, of course, if it doesn't work for me, I'll stop. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong.

Forums are for discussion, and concerns. I think it's unfair of you to say Wray is wasting her time on me. I have said to some degree I agree with her progesterone theories, but I have difficulty with it because there is evidence to the contrary too.

Medicines, and especially hormones, work differently in each person, what works for one, may not work for another.

This is why I'm continuing to read as much as possible, yet I have been on 200mg for awhile not a year, and even that dose made me nervous.

If that is how one is treated on a forum, which is for discussion, and not trying to prove anyone wrong, I'll not come here again. Nor will I recommend it to others.

Maybe your irritated response shows you are not hormonally balanced yet.

Jun 26, 2013
Forums are for discussion...I thought!
by: Wray

Hi Corky Yes forums are for discussion, but on the whole it's been you disagreeing with what you've been advised. 5 women, including me, have offered their advice, all of whom are using progesterone and not oestrogen. But because you say you've found some blog or forum which opposes their suggestions, none of which give reference papers, you're still not convinced. It also appears you haven't read any of the papers I've given you, because if you had, you wouldn't be saying there's evidence to the contrary. Hormones have a specific function, and they all work along those lines in every human. If they worked differently in each person as you suggest, there would be chaos, they have to follow the same route. I have repeatedly told you that the 200mg/day you are using is having an uphill battle against the oestrogen you're taking. Once you stop this it will begin to help, but will have to suppress that before it does. Which is why I said you would probably need 400mg/day before you find any benefit. I'm not sure who you are referring to about being hormonally imbalanced, there are five women giving advise here, maybe we all are! Sorry about the delay in replying, but we've been having server site problems, which now seemed to be fixed. Take care Wray

Sep 01, 2013
can't lose weight.
by: Marnie

hi Corky. I see you also have thyroid issues, and that keeps people from losing weight. All of our glands get out of whack and that contributes to difficulty in losing weight.
These glands being out of whack also contribute to us feeling fatigued and other symptoms. Which takes away from our libido.

I do hope your husband is an understanding person in all this. As that does not help the situation either. (and you stressing about it is really harsh on your system as well)

I have the thyroid, can't lose weight, can't sleep, hormones out of balance, no libido, etc etc junk going on so I can relate to how you are feeling. I do hope you can get some relief.


Jan 26, 2014
Weight gain - for Corky
by: Renee

Corky,

Did your weight gain come off? What worked for you? I have also gained weight. I have been using 200mg of natural progesterone cream for several months and I just keep gaining!

Feb 07, 2014
I'm done with hrt
by: Corky

I left this site because I was thinking things over and asking questions, as I had tried so many hormone doses etc., but five women were getting angry. I never said wray you are wrong, but I mentioned what I have read about others theories. Anyway, I went up to 400mg of progesterone only for seven months with no estrogen, and I've gained more weight and all that time I was on a good detox diet. I also was on good dose of thyroid, my vitamin D level was and is in the high sixties and I still take 6000 iu a day. My magnesium top of range, ferritin and iron perfect.

And I am now planning on giving up the progesterone and all hrt and accept how I am. I may try Maca root.

I agree with some of the research here, but I still believe one size foot doesn't fit different shoe sizes, so some may do well on these high doses, and some won't.

I wish u good luck. But I'm worse than I was when I was on 200mg. So I'm done playing with Mother Nature

Feb 07, 2014
I'm done with hrt
by: Corky

I left this site because I was thinking things over and asking questions, as I had tried so many hormone doses etc., but five women were getting angry. I never said wray you are wrong, but I mentioned what I have read about others theories. Anyway, I went up to 400mg of progesterone only for seven months with no estrogen, and I've gained more weight and all that time I was on a good detox diet. I also was on good dose of thyroid, my vitamin D level was and is in the high sixties and I still take 6000 iu a day. My magnesium top of range, ferritin and iron perfect.

And I am now planning on giving up the progesterone and all hrt and accept how I am. I may try Maca root.

I agree with some of the research here, but I still believe one size foot doesn't fit different shoe sizes, so some may do well on these high doses, and some won't.

I wish u good luck. But I'm worse than I was when I was on 200mg. So I'm done playing with Mother Nature

Feb 08, 2014
No it didn't come off
by: Corky

I did decide to use Wray's advice and for six months I did not use any estrogen, and used 400mg of progesterone a day. I also was on a detox diet for six months, had vitamin D levels in the high 60's and still take 6000 iu a day; good ferritin and iron levels, good thyroid levels.

Now before the 400mg, I had been on 100mg then 200mg for about a year, at times with a low dose bi-est, at times, just the progesterone.

So, weight stayed the same and was hard to lose on the progesterone only. The last six months on 400mg and the detox diet, which was doctor advised, and I followed exactly, my weight has stayed the same, sort of maintaining the initial 30lbs I gained since upping the progesterone from 50mg to 100mg then 200mg in 2012-2013.

In 2011, I lost 20lbs when I was on 50mg of progesterone and 2mg of estrogen.

i came here to see other peoples experiences with progesterone only, and asked many questions, while I thought about my own experience, trying to decide if I should stop estrogen and increase progesterone, but I got nasty replies. I came back today by accident looking up something else, and saw your reply to this post.

I say, you can listen to the advice here, and read all the links given, but there is always the other side to an issue, and you have to try what you feels is best. You can try the progesterone only for awhile and see how it works for you, if it doesn't, you try something else.

For me, I've decided to stop all HRT, and stop fooling with mother nature.


May 02, 2014
Amusing Discussion
by: Anonymous

I've been postmenopausal for 20 years. I don't have a uterus but have useless ovaries. 7 yrs. after my partial, I started to experience fluid retention, gained 20 lbs (always very thin), developed muscle tension, joint pain & inflammation, carpal tunnel, acid reflux, brain fog, anxiety, & depression. I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, generalized anxiety disorder, & GERD by doctors who specialized in these areas. I was prescribed a ton of medications which did not improve my symptoms. After 2 years of suffering from these symptoms, I started having night sweats. My GP ran labs to test hormones. I was postmenopausal and had NO estrogen in my system. Progesterone & testosterone were in normal range based on the chart. I was given a bioidentical estrogen pill which gave me migraines. By this time, I had started reading & found myself as confused as Corky. Progesterone was THE ultimate hormone and fix for all my woes. I was SO excited to ask my doctor for a script. He told me that I did not have a uterus and did not NEED progesterone. I was then placed on a bioidentical estrogen patch. That estrogen patch taught me a lot about my body. Within 3 months, I lost the 20 lbs., fluid retention went away, as did the muscle tension, joint pain & inflammation, & all of the other symptoms I mentioned above. I don't have fibromyalgia, GAD, or GERD! I felt great on estrogen alone but all the progesterone hype still had me convinced that I needed it to "protect" myself from the horrible estrogen I was pumping into my body. I saw 3 gynecologists, & a reproductive endocrinologist. All told me I did not NEED progesterone. My pharmacist at the time also happened to be a compounding pharmacist. I asked him about progesterone & he INSISTED that I needed it & recommended a high quality OTC brand & advised me about dosing. A true nightmare! It cancelled out my estrogen & all of my pre-estrogen therapy symptoms returned. He told me it took "time" & suggested a few tweaks to my dose as well as another OTC brand. Same experience with the symptoms but when my weight started creeping back up, I said enough of this! I then confessed my sins to my GP and asked him to run another round of labs to check my hormone levels. My progesterone was through the roof, estrogen was extremely low, & testosterone was elevated. The amusing thing is that progesterone isn't being pushed as much as the cure all for hormonal woes but testosterone is the new answer! Women are growing beards & going bald but insist their increased libido & happy husbands are worth it! There is NO perfect fix. What works for one does not work for all. Our hormonal needs vary greatly & that's why the information we read is SO confusing. I could sing the praises of estrogen but it might have negative effects on another woman. Best wishes to all the women struggling to find their "fix". It can be a journey & the more you read, the more confused you will become.

Oct 16, 2014
Progesterone.
by: CarmenAnonymous

Hysterectomies should be band all together. I lost my ovaries and uterous six years ago. I can say that day I died. Life has never or ever will be the same. Lost of libido, zest for life all gone. I've struggled with anxiety, depression, fluid re tension digestive issues, painful inter course, gained 24 pounds and lost my husband. I Went on bio identical hormones, dedicated thyroid and felt tired and more weight along with cellulite. All I want is a normal sex life that's all. There is a reason God gave women ovaries, they have their function in a women's body. The Medical field should hear all the complaints that are brought on by hysterectomies before they declare that these organs are not needed. I wish I had been more informed and read the horror stories of all these women who are now crying out for help. My outcome would have been different. Yes, I've gained weight using progesterone. I'm tired of experimenting.

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