Natpro has been a miracle for me but still no sex drive!?

by Annie
(UK)

Hi Wray, I have been using Natpro for 6 months and feel really fab - it slowly but surely got me off HRT and I feel so level headed, so full of energy, no more hot flushes, no extreme mood swings, no bleeding, have been able to lose weight, getting great skin back - all the usual menopause problems, but I have absolutely no sex drive, no sexual feelings at all - basically totally dead in that department.

Will it come back at all or is that it? It makes me really sad as I am happily married. I have had this problem for about 10 years since peri-menopause started and was given 100mg Testosterone pellets under the skin and then Intrinsa patches for a few years alongside my HRT, which initially made me feel sexy again but seemed to lose it's effectivness eventually and made sweating worse and I put on SO MUCH WEIGHT.

Natpro has made me feel like I did pre-menopause except for this. My last blood test at my GP's showed I was post menopausal (LH/FSH) and I've not bled since starting Natpro 6 months ago. The HRT I was on made me bleed almost continually (Femseven Conti) and because of ovarian cysts/fibroids/smelly bleeding etc, I wanted to come off it, but felt so dreadful so Natpro is indeed a miracle for me. Is there anything I can do? I also take vitamin D 10,000iu and am 44 (so had an early menopause same as my Mum). Thanks Wray in advance xx

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Feb 09, 2011
No sex drive either
by: Tracy (UK)

Hi Annie

I also have no sex drive and have been using cream for around 6 months so i would be very interested in any comments relating to this subject as well.

Feb 09, 2011
Re: No Sex Drive
by: Anonymous

I would like to know the answer to this too as I have the same dilemma. Also, how much Natpro have you been using? I was using 1/2 tsp twice a day of Natpro and had to get up in dose to 200 mg a day but now am resolved of all symptoms just like you. It is a godsend.

Feb 14, 2011
Natpro has been a miracle for me but still no sex drive!?
by: Annie

I'm now using about 1/4 tsp twice a day, at bedtime and around lunchtime - so roughly 12 hrs apart. I occasionally need an extra little bit when I feel a flush coming on out of the blue - usually if i've got a bit stressed over something or overeaten - which seems to relieve the flush pretty much straight away.

I was using 1/2 tsp twice a day for probably the first 4 months or so and sometimes alot more, as I suffered with estrogen dominance because I stopped HRT and started the cream the next day (and felt totally up and down and out of my depth), but realised these feelings were normal so persevered (and so pleased I did). I knew I needed to reduce because I was getting estrogen dominance feelings back again which went as I reduced.

What I don't understand though is that the natural progesterone is supposedly a persecutor of testosterone and as a result restores libido? I am hoping Wray can help with this one :)

Feb 21, 2011
Natpro has been a miracle for me but still no sex drive!?
by: Wray

Hi Annie Well I'm so delighted with your news! Particularly about loosing weight, so many women use too little, which really ramps up the oestrogen. They then blame the progesterone, understandably of course, but they were given the wrong info on how to use it. I'm relieved to hear you're off the HRT too. But dismayed you were given the testosterone, it's no wonder you put on weight. Believe it or not, women make more testosterone than oestrogen, but most of it is converted to oestrogen by the enzyme aromatase. But.....testosterone causes a women to put on weight! Plus increasing the risk of getting Insulin Resistance and CVD. Please see these studies here, here, here, here here, here and here. It's like pouring petrol on a fire, with more substrate the aromatase will have a field day converting it into oestrogen. There is evidence progesterone and not testosterone increases libido. The following paper is long but fascinating and has this to say...."there appears to be little correlation between plasma testosterone levels and sexual behavior. Both impotent men and hypersexuals may have concentrations within normal range and considerably elevated endogenous testosterone concentrations in a small group of impotent males. Thus, it may turn out that the significance of testosterone in determining libido and potency has been overstated....The importance of testosterone for central sexual function such as libido or whether it also has an effect on the end orgasm tissues in the penis is still debated." See here. Incidentally we have many men using it to increase libido. Although the paper is on males, progesterone does increase libido in women too, as testified by the many who have used it. I have yet to fine a study on women, progesterone and libido, but quite possibly the misconception that it's testosterone only that increases libido has a lot to do with it. A myth propagated by men? I?m running out of space, so will start a new comment, see below. Take care Wray

Feb 22, 2011
Natpro has been a miracle for me but still no sex drive!?
by: Wray

Hi Annie Well I'm so delighted with your news! Particularly about loosing weight, so many women use too little, which really ramps up the oestrogen. They then blame the progesterone, understandably of course, but they were given the wrong info on how to use it. I'm relieved to hear you're off the HRT too. But dismayed you were given the testosterone, it's no wonder you put on weight. Believe it or not, women make more testosterone than oestrogen, but most of it is converted to oestrogen by the enzyme aromatase. But.....testosterone causes a women to put on weight! Plus increasing the risk of getting Insulin Resistance and CVD. Please see these studies here, here, here, here here, here and here. It's like pouring petrol on a fire, with more substrate the aromatase will have a field day converting it into oestrogen. There is evidence progesterone and not testosterone increases libido. The following paper is long but fascinating and has this to say...."there appears to be little correlation between plasma testosterone levels and sexual behavior. Both impotent men and hypersexuals may have concentrations within normal range and considerably elevated endogenous testosterone concentrations in a small group of impotent males. Thus, it may turn out that the significance of testosterone in determining libido and potency has been overstated....The importance of testosterone for central sexual function such as libido or whether it also has an effect on the end orgasm tissues in the penis is still debated." See here. Incidentally we have many men using it to increase libido. Although the paper is on males, progesterone does increase libido in women too, as testified by the many who have used it. I have yet to fine a study on women, progesterone and libido, but quite possibly the misconception that it's testosterone only that increases libido has a lot to do with it. A myth propagated by men? I?m running out of space, so will start a new comment, see below. Take care Wray

Feb 22, 2011
Natpro has been a miracle for me but still no sex drive!?
by: Wray

Hi again Annie I'm so pleased you are taking 10,000iu's vitamin D, I ask everyone to have a test, and to start taking it. As you live in the UK, which has only about 5 months a year of sufficient sun to make vitamin D, it's critically important. A lack also reduces the benefits of progesterone, this is probably why you responded so well. Unfortunately this study is again on men, see here. Finally the neurotransmitter dopamine is involved in sexual arousal, most of the studies on males again, see here,here, here, here and here. I must add here I take exception to the conclusion of one paper which states "no conclusion can be deduced from the available studies on the role of central dopaminergic systems in the control of proceptivity and receptivity, the two main components of female sexual behavior." This implies we have no control of our sexual feelings, that we are merely receptacles for male sperm! It could be you're low in tyrosine, the amino acid precursor to dopamine. Do you eat enough protein? It might be an idea to try taking some tyrosine. Start low on 500mg/day and increase gradually, an excess causes symptoms to return. Take care Wray

Feb 22, 2011
No sex drive either
by: Wray

Hi Tracy I hope the papers I've given Annie help you too. You don't say what cream you are using or the amount of progesterone, as this could be influencing matters. Take care Wray

Feb 22, 2011
Re: No Sex Drive
by: Wray

Hi there I'm so delighted that the progesterone has helped you too, except for the libido. I would hope in time this corrects itself. Please read the papers I gave Annie. I'd like to thank you, plus all those women who've had the courage to listen to my advice about the amount to use. It's five to ten times the normal recommended amount! But this does help, and it's so easy to reduce or increase as and when needed. It should never be used as per 'daily dose' like a drug. Take care Wray

Feb 22, 2011
Natpro has been a miracle for me but still no sex drive!?
by: Wray

Hi Annie I'm so pleased you're using the progesterone as and when needed, as I said to the previous comment. It really should be used like this, reducing when symptoms have resolved. Or increasing as you do when you feel a flush coming, or feel stressed. It's interesting to me that you get a flush after overeating. Progesterone levels drop after a big meal, due to increased metabolic clearance. It's a pity you went cold turkey on the HRT, no harm done, but it is gentler to reduce it slowly! I hope the explanation I gave in my first reply helps clarify the testosterone issue. Yes progesterone is the precursor to testosterone, but it also suppresses it if enough is used. No woman needs excess testosterone, it's merely converted into excess oestrogen, which we don't need either! Progesterone plays so many roles in the body, we have no way of telling which system it will rectify first when supplementing. As you still get hot flushes occasionally, it indicates your system is still not fully stable. I hope in time the libido returns. Please try the tyrosine as I suggested, plus use some cream in your vagina at night. Many women use it as a lubricant and find it helps greatly, plus increasing libido, in the men too! Take care Wray

Feb 25, 2011
Natpro has been a miracle for me but still no sex drive!?
by: Annie UK

Thankyou so much Wray for this very detailed advice. Six months is a short time when starting anything new and it figures, as you suggest, that it will take time to fully stabilize in my system, as I'm still experiencing some flushing. I feel very optimistic that the libido will return eventually as a result. I will also seek out the tyrosine as recommended.

There cannot be another single product manufacturer who gives such a personal and informative response to enquiries as you! It's like having a personal doctor. I do hope you get the recognition you duly deserve for transforming the lives of so many miserable women, who upon consulting their GP's are met with ignorance.
Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou xx

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