Natpro and showering

by Rose

Hi Wray!

Just a small question: I apply Natpro twice daily, 9am and 9pm. If I have a shower between that time, do I have to apply cream again after my shower, or has the 9am Natpro penetrated enough through my skin to last till my evening dose?

Kind regards

Rose

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Nov 16, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Joy

Hi Rose

If you are using NATPRO, it takes about 5 minutes before the progesterone is absorbed into the blood stream. I can't speak for any other brands though, but I can tell you that the thicker the cream the longer it takes to absorb.

Wonderful that you are applying it twice a day as progesterone levels start to drop after 13 hours and the aim is to keep the level as stable as possible. What time do you shower? Why don't you just apply the cream after your shower, I do and I shower at different times in the morning. I also use NATPRO on my face twice a day as my moisturiser, helps with pigmentation of the skin too.

Hope this helps.

Nov 16, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Alyce

Rose

Why don't you use it after your shower then you do not have to worry about it. However, I do know that Natpro absorbs very quickly.

Using it twice a day is good as once a day does not work.

Nov 16, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Wray

Hi Rose Progesterone is absorbed rapidly, within minutes in fact. But I would leave a minimum of half an hour before showering just to make sure. Besides the caprylic/capric triglycerides are beneficial to the skin, it would be a pity to wash it off too soon. They do have an anti fungal action too, see Candida. Take care Wray

Nov 18, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Rose

Hi Joy, Alyce and Wray!

Many thanks to all of you for your kind answers and concern, I appreciate it very much!
Yes, I use Natpro only, and my daily schedule goes something like this: I wake up, dry brush my skin, have a shower and then apply 1tsp Natpro all over my body and face. Later during the day I will go for a brisk walk and then have a shower again since I sweat a lot. I work in the evenings, and after my work I will shower again and after my evening shower I will apply my second lot of 1tsp Natpro all over my body and face again and go to sleep. So, as you can see, I do apply Natpro only after my showers, morning and evening, but not after my middle shower.
The reason I was asking this question is because I had great results with Natpro in the beginning for my migraine, but recently the migraine has been back again and it's very severe. So, I was thinking that maybe I was showering off all the benefits of my morning Natpro with my midday shower which I take after the walk.
An other thing that I forgot to tell you is that I mix pure essential oils (grapefruit and geranium usually) in the 1tsp of Natpro I use, but that shouldn't affect the results in anyway or should it?

Kind regards
Rose

Nov 19, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Wray

Hi Rose I take it you haven’t had extra stress recently which drops levels? And how is your vitamin D level? I’m not sure where you live, in the southern hemisphere you have just gone through winter, so levels would have dropped unless you take it. The essential oils should not have made a difference, I sometimes do that too. Take another look at our Migraines page to see if you can find a clue as to what’s going on. Take care Wray

Nov 27, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Rose

Dear Wray,

Thank you for your kind answer and concern.
I did read the migraine page with care and it could be that I have been under extra stress recently as you suggested, and the levels have dropped. Few days ago I increased the intake of Natpro from 2tsp/day to 4tsp/day and to my big relief I haven't had a migraine attack since, so fingers crossed!

I'm 49 years and I was advised by my Natpro distributor that I should get back into cyclic use of the cream and establish a regular cycle again. I was using Natpro for a long time without a brake because I was bleeding heavily for months.

This is the advice I got:''So, plot your chart, with day 1 being the first day bleed, and not using the cream, and then bleed for 7 days and start again using the cream. This way you will allow the clearing of the lining. Then use the cream for 20 days, and give it a break for three - to see if you period starts, and if it does the cycle is back. If it does not go back to the cream for 20 days, then give it a break''

Today I have used the cream for 20 days from my last cycle and I'm giving it a three days brake to
see if the period returns. I'm very nervous because if they start it's gonna be a very long brake without Natpro and most likely the levels will drop again and the migraine will return!
My period is only 5 days long, (and my cycle use to be 23-15 days)do you think I could start using the cream already on the first day of being ''clean''?

I will have my D-levels checked and keep you posted.

Many thanks!

Rose

Nov 29, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Rose

Correction to my last comment: My menstrual cycle use to be 23-25 days.

Rose

Nov 29, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Wray

Hi Rose I don't like to contradict your advisor, but I really feel I need to. Firstly there is no need to take a break at 49. You are almost out of Peri-menopause and heading into Menopause. I used the progesterone even when I had regular cycles, as all my symptoms came back when I took the break. I never went back to following them, and transitioned into menopause still using it daily. Secondly with the amount of progesterone you're using your lining will not be thick at all. Oestrogen thickens the lining, progesterone helps shed it, but it also prevents it from proliferating. I have just replied to another younger woman about following her cycle, this is what I said "The amount you're using is far too high to come off it suddenly to follow your cycle. You will go back to square one, or lower! Only begin reducing when you feel 100% stable. The reduction should be no more than 1ml of cream, or 33mg progesterone, better still if it's half that. Stay on that amount for a few days to adjust, before reducing further." She was using 500mg/day, you are using 670mg/day! 4 tsp using a 5ml spoon, means you are using 20ml of cream. Each ml contains 33.3mg progesterone. Please clear up a confusion I have. You say your cycles are 23-15 days. I've not seen it written like that, do you mean they vary in length between 15 days to 23 days? If this is the case, then I don't understand why you were told to use it for 20 days and then take a break of 7 days. That is not following your cycle, it's following the average cycle of 28 days. Our cycles range from 21 days to 35 days. A 15 day cycle is outside the normal range, so it makes me think you are now in that very erratic time in P-M when it's impossible to follow a cycle. So it's always best to use it daily. Please start using the cream immediately. And I would like to know your vitamin D results please. Take care Wray

Nov 30, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Joy

Hi Rose

Me again. I simply could not let this go without making a comment.

First of all I am so glad to hear that your migraines have cleared, excess estrogen would be responsible for those migraines. What really amazes me however, is the advise that you have been given by your Natpro distributor!!

You are 49 and in Peri-Menopause, it's a time when the monthly cycle becomes erratic and rather difficult to follow. We always advise people to use the cream every day from now on - see here.

Progesterone should always be used from ovulation,
for the last 12-14 days of the cycle. Using it as your distributor advised is incorrect! Please read How to use Progesterone - see here.

You are correct, your migraines will probably return as well as your other symptoms as taking a break allows estrogen to become the dominant hormone again, you do not want this. If fact I have discussed with Wray, that I feel progesterone should be used daily UNLESS one is trying to conceive. Another thing that amazes me is that it does not matter when progesterone is used, it will clear out the estrogen build up of the uterus regardless. It's no wonder so many people get confused about the use of progesterone when mis-information is given, it actually gives progesterone a bad name and so unnecessary actually.

My advise to you is to use the cream daily Rose, I did through my peri-menopause stage and I will continue to use it daily, I am now 58!

I am sure that Wray will say something regarding this too. Hope this has helped to clear up a few things for you.

Take care.
Joy



Nov 30, 2013
Following
by: Tanya

Just commenting so I can follow thread. Thx.

Dec 01, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Rose

Dear Wray,

First of all, my apologies for making a mistake in writing that my cycle use to be 23-15 days. What I meant to write was that my cycle use to be 23-25 days. I did correct it on my last comment, but perhaps it went unnoticed. I usually double check that there aren't any major mistakes in my writing before I send my comment, but this time I was in a hurry and didn't check, and of course I had go and make a mistake! So, please forgive me for the confusion I have caused you!

Secondly, it is great that I did happen to tell you about the advice that I got from my Natpro distributor, regarding trying to establish my cycle back. I'm glad you have advised me to continue using the cream daily, since I was very worried that with such a long gap between the migraine would come back again. It is sad I got wrong advice, but mistakes happen sometime and I'm just glad it is corrected now.

Actually, I started following the 3 days without Natpro advice (before I read your comments), and already on the 3rd and 4th the migraine was back. It didn't take long. A small period started on the 4th day. Now I'm back with Natpro again, it will be interesting to see if the period dries up. By the way, if I continue now using Natpro daily, does it mean that I will never have a period again?

So, I went quite a jump from 2tsp/a day to 4tsp/a day, but I feel so much better now. Do you think 4tsp/a day is okay then? Perhaps sometime in the future when I haven't had a migraine for a while I can slowly reduce the amount?

Many many thanks for your time, advice and concern once again Wray! I will keep in touch and will let you know my vitamin d-level results soon.

Love, Rose

Dec 01, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Rose

Hi Joy!

Thank you for your kind advice and concern on the matter. Yes, I will continue with the cream daily from now on. It is sad that I was given little different advice by my distributor, but I believe that the intention behind it was good and people sometimes make mistakes. It is not easy to always know what advice to give to an individual and it takes great knowledge and experience, so all in all I'm just happy it is clarified now.

Wouldn't it be great if the neurologist also new and understood to prescribe progesterone to their migraine sufferers? I have suffered for almost 10 years now and have been eating every kind of pill on the market, with no or very little help. So many days, months and years have been wasted away unnecessarily. So many years when you are not able to have much of a social life and go out with friends, what to speak of family life and work that has also suffered greatly.
Well, now I'm just grateful that I have found out about Natpro and I hope that life will slowly start smiling again...better late than never, as they say.
Once again, many thanks to your great advice and support. Keep up the good work of spreading this info to as many as possible!

Rose

Dec 04, 2013
Natpro and showering
by: Wray

Hi Rose Not to worry about the date mistake, as you say they can happen! I thought the migraine would come back, pity. But at least you now know it works and not to stop it again, there's really no need. The period will probably continue until the end, but it won't be a long period if you normally have those. I can't remember. At the 670mg/day you are using it will probably stop all bleeding, that's not a problem either. Oestrogen causes the lining of the uterus to proliferate. A very high amount of progesterone suppresses the oestrogen to the point it cannot build the lining, so there is none to shed. There appears to be evolutionary evidence we should not be having anywhere near the periods we now have, see here. These are two others worth reading, see here and here. Only when you feel 100% stable should you begin reducing the progesterone. And then only by about 1ml or even 1/2ml each reduction, staying on that amount for a few days to stabilise. Would be interested to hear your vitamin D results. Take care and love to you too, Wray

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