MEN and "Man Boobs" / receding Hairline from too much DHT

by Robert

MEN, I have two questions. I have gynomastia (man boobs), and receding hair line. I bought Natpro. I have read that I should take 100mg to 200 mg to counter the initial "feminine" consequenses (weight gain around mid section) and hair loss. I have had tests in the past for my gyno, and all have come back with "normal" results. I even had lypo 15 years ago. I am now 55. I am fit.
My first question is if it would help to apply the Natpro directly to my chest and receding hair? what are the consequenses? My reasoning is that it would be closer and more effective to the "receptors" affected, and therefore speed/magnify the results. Your thoughts?
Second question is what are the consequenses of "too much" applied? What, if any are the reactions? Thanks. I am also looking forward to the elevated mood. I'll report back.

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Dec 21, 2011
My husband
by: Annette Canada

Hi Robert just to let you know my husband has had to take 400 milligrams a day or more at times to combat his symptoms. Yes most people will get worse before you get better because you stimulate estrogen receptors when first using progesterone. You will have to let your body be your guide for sure. It is not an overnight solution to say the least. I have been on high amounts for almost a year hoping it come right soon. Make sure to be taking 5000 iu's of vitamin d a day. Take care. Yes it does increase libido in men. I'll have to be chatting to Wray about that one. lol

Dec 21, 2011
Size does matter? 400ml
by: Anonymous

Annette. thank you for your response. If I read correctly, you AND your husband are taking Natpro. As to not confuse, I wonder only about your husband as it pertains to me (male. What "initial" side effects did he experience? Also,How do you measure how much youre taking? Ive read the oz.,ml, etc...and that really doesnt help. I am hoping the "pump" will clear that up as in "1 pump = 2 ml". For now, how much would you say is 200ml (I can easily 2x for 400 ;)...Would you say a size of a quarter?...a dime? Maybe Wray can help with this. Also, if anyone can shed light on any hair regrowth on your head, as this inhibits DHT. Thanks

Dec 22, 2011
MEN and "Man Boobs" / receding Hairline from too much DHT
by: Wray

Hi Robert We do have a page on Man Boobs you might like to look through. It appears to be an increasing problem with men, which is why I did one. I do wonder about the so called 'normal' results. I know in women if the ratio of progesterone to oestrogen is low, many adverse symptoms occur. And yet this is rarely checked, I suspect the same would be true of men too. I do have a lot more work to do on men's hormones, but maybe you might like to read my thoughts to Alfredo, having problems with BPH, see here and here. The weight gain around the mid section and hair loss in women, is caused by excess testosterone, see here and here. Doctors are too keen to give it to women, but it's more dangerous side effects are an increased risk of cancer and heart disease, see here, here and here. But there's a dearth of info on the same problem in men, in fact most studies indicate testosterone is of benefit to men for Insulin Resistance,
metabolic syndrome and heart disease, except this one study here. I do wonder though, as excess testosterone, particularly if supplemented by men, causes gynecomastia. And there's no question men are more likely to have heart disease than women, until women reach menopause, then they rapidly catch up. Free testosterone rises in women after menopause. Progesterone is a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor, much as finasteride is, but without the adverse side effects, see here, here and here. Continued below.

Dec 22, 2011
MEN and "Man Boobs" / receding Hairline from too much DHT
by: Wray

Hi Robert Although progesterone travels rapidly round the body, I have found rubbing it directly on the problem area speeds the result, particular if pain is an issue. Some men have been helped by rubbing progesterone directly on the head, see here and here. Others not. To date I haven't found any adverse side effects related to progesterone use. Amounts exceeding 1200mg/day are given via IV transfusion to TBI victims, to prevent the oedema and inflammation that occurs after the injury, see here, here and here. Over 70% of the victims are men. Please be aware of Oestrogen Dominance when first using progesterone. It occurs in men too, and can be disconcerting. It's essential to increase the amount of progesterone to overcome this effect. Paradoxically, reducing the amount helps, but simply because the oestrogen receptors are no longer being stimulated. Please experiment with the amount using symptoms as a guide, it's not normally a quick fix. Dependant on symptoms, we have men using 20mg/day, some use 100mg, others going as high as 400-600mg/day. You might like to read these comments from some of them, see here. Take care Wray

Dec 22, 2011
My husband
by: Wray

Hi Annette This is so helpful, more and more men seem to be making enquires about progesterone, and trying it too. Most are very cautious, and use such small amounts, so telling us how much your husband uses really helps. I've found they get really alarmed when oestrogen dominance kicks in! Women are so used to this, some getting it once a month prior to bleeding. Looking forward to hearing about the libido bit! Take care Wray

Dec 22, 2011
Wheat..actually all grains
by: Shirley

You might want to read Dr. William Davis' new book Wheat Belly. He writes about man boobs
and the connection it has with wheat and hormones. Fascinating!

http://is.gd/1pMY5y

Dec 22, 2011
Size does matter? 400ml
by: Wray

Hi Robert Yes, both Annette and her husband use progesterone, she uses up to 1000mg/day. I believe she has her whole family on it! About the pump, it would be helpful, but it would be impossible to have one which suits all. For instance some men use only 10mg/day, this would be 1/3ml of Natpro, some use 100mg/day which requires 3ml of cream, whereas women like Annette, we have a few now, who use 1000mg/day, 1/2 the entire tube is used in one day. The 400mg/day her husband uses requires about 12ml of cream, or 2.4 tsp. I've found a kitchen measuring spoon in ml is the easiest to use. 1ml gives 33.3mg progesterone, 5ml gives about 170mg progesterone. If using teaspoons 1/8 tsp gives about 21mg/day. 1tsp is 5ml. We do have a table of the different measurements used at the bottom of our page How to use progesterone cream. Take care Wray

Dec 22, 2011
To:Wray
by: Annette Canada

Hey Wray you want to know the funny part about my husband and how he started using the cream. I would get him to rub a large portion on my back every night and about a month after he started to get headaches and nausea when he didn't rub it on. lol Not funny really he has been cursing me out since. Now he is up to 400 milligrams and needs to apply 4 or 5 times day. He is only 31 years of age. As I watch him throughout the month there is a portion of that month he is worse, just like a woman. Weird. More angry, sweats, craves alcohol, nausea and headaches. Not good for myself, hubby and teenage daughter to go through estrogen dominance all at the same time. I'm hoping I'm coming out soon to be able to deal with hubby.. I tell him your worse then a woman. Goodness my house is crazy to say the least. Have Merry Christmas Wray!!! ttyl

Dec 22, 2011
To:Robert
by: Annette Hromek

Hello Robert I have made a list of some symptoms on my last post to Wray in regards to Jon, my husband. Yes we use Natpro and love it. As regards to measuring: one teaspoon equals about 170 milligrams, so 400 milligrams is two and a half teaspoons. I would suggest using a kitchen measuring spoon. Now we just use it by eyeing it out. It's good for you to see what a teaspoon looks like measured out. Hope this helps.

Dec 22, 2011
Wheat..actually all grains
by: Wray

Hi Shirley I've just taken a look and I love the humour, although the subject is not humorous, as obesity is a major problem now. This is the link in case anyone wants to see it… Wheat Belly. You are so right about grains, no one should eat them. I've just watched a TED video about growing our own food in our back yard, it's excellent, amusing and short, if interested the link is here. Agri-business has a lot to answer for, pushing grains at us, much as the drug companies push drugs. Take care Wray

Dec 22, 2011
To:Wray
by: Wray

Hi Annette Poor man, I'm sure he didn't realise what would hit him! So many men have excess oestrogen and don't know it. Most interesting he's worse at some point in the month, maybe its related to work. Does he have more stress at certain times of the month? Shirley has just posted the link to an excellent site about how dangerous grains are. They have a high level of phytoestrogens, although these are weak oestrogens, they still have the same stimulatory effect. And if enough is eaten…..well!!! I do hope you all manage to come out of it soon, I know you've been battling for nearly a year now. A Merry Christmas to you too! Take care Wray

Dec 24, 2011
Men and Progesterone
by: Joy (South Africa)

Annette thanks so much for your story on your hubby and progesterone. I remember you telling me this and we had such a laugh together, although it is a serious topic. As Wray mentioned, men suffer just as much as females. I have relayed your story to so many people now and I know that a wife is now also getting her husband to rub it on her back with great results it seems.
Take care. xx

Dec 27, 2011
UPDATE: from Robert
by: Anonymous

Its now been a week since I started. I have been using quite a lot daily, as I wanted to avoid any initial backlash whilst my recepters get used to the cream. I use about One TABLE spoon in the am AND pm (I presume that must be about 800mg/day (?)) at spots on my chest, thighs, forehead, everywhere. The only reaction, and its a big one, is I have extreme ED. I havent had any problems b4, and in fact probably more virile than typ. The only thing I have changed lately is I have not been working out because of the holidays. Im sure stopping working out will drop my testoterone a little, but I have never had this reaction b4. I will stick to it (I have two tubes left) to see if this disappears. I was hoping this wouldnt happen because of the dose I was takeing. any similar timeframes or reactions? -Robert
PS Wray, I AM taking 50mg DHEA daily to keep my testoterone up in anticipation of the "T" drop. See any problems with this?

Dec 30, 2011
dosage
by: Annette Canada

Hi Robert I know your concern, I started at 200 milligrams and had to work my way up. I have been on a 1000 and more for 6 months myself. Although better but still having symptoms. The key is finding a livable consistent amount. Maybe decrease to 400 milligrams a day and see how you feel. Whatever you do don't run out the cream, it is harder to stop and go with the progesterone. It makes your symptoms real bad. If men only knew how ED they were. Hope this helps until Wray responds.

Jan 02, 2012
UPDATE: from Robert
by: Wray

Hi Robert I'm not sure of the tablespoon you're using, but a standard T/spoon is 15ml. This will give you 500mg progesterone, twice a day means you're getting 1000mg/day. This will use up one tube in two days. It's interesting you're suffering from extreme ED, I'm sorry to hear that, as men don't normally suffer as badly as that. But there is obviously a major hormone imbalance, which has been exacerbated by your initial reaction to progesterone. I'm happy to hear you're willing to stick it out, and I do hope it passes soon. Men do react far faster than women to progesterone, but you do have gynecomastia, so it could take longer than normal. As for time frame it's difficult to give you one. I have found that the worse the problem, and the longer it's been experienced, the longer it will take to resolve. Another Robert tried it for 6 months, before writing back to me, see here. Although DHEA does raise testosterone levels, it also raises DHT and oestradiol. It's not something I ever recommend a woman takes because of this, I would exercise caution for yourself, see here, here, here and here. Take care Wray

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