Fi


(Ireland)

Hi

I am new to Progesterone therapy. After reading an article on your website on burning tongue caused by oestrogen dominance I decided to give it a go as I have been really struggling with burning tongue for a couple of years on and off. I also took your questionnaire and scored over 30.

After just a few days using the cream I found a reduction in my symptoms. I used it for two weeks and then stopped as I got a period. /within a day of stopping the burning tongue returned.
I am 48 and still have fairly regular periods although my cycle can fluctuate up or down by a few days.

Perhaps you can advise

Thankyou

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Oct 07, 2013
Fi
by: Wray

Hi Fi I'm delighted the cream helped you. But you are now in the last stages of Peri-menopause when burning tongue is much more common. Although your cycles are still pretty regular, I'd suggest using the cream daily for 2-3 months through any bleeding too. This will certainly stop it returning, but whether you will have to continue to use it daily, I simply don't know. P-M is such a difficult time, so it could be your cycles do become erratic which would necessitate using it daily anyway. Or it might correct the problem and you can go back to following your cycle. But it won't be too long now before they do become erratic. It might of course correct it completely and you won't have to use the progesterone again, I just don't know. Although progesterone is good for ageing, I'm certainly never going to stop using it! See here, here, here, here and here. Please have a vitamin D done, a lack of this reduces the benefits of progesterone, so it should help the burning tongue too. Please make sure you have enough magnesium, a low level of this would affect the burning tongue. Plus it's the most important cofactor for vitamin D. We do have a distributor in the UK who could help you with both progesterone and vitamin D, much quicker than getting it from the States. Please contact Julienne via her website here. Take care Wray

Dec 01, 2013
Can progesterone cream help my mum's burning tongue symptoms too?
by: CH

Hi Wray,

I happened to come across this question by Fi, and I am wondering if the usage of progesterone cream could help my mum's burning tongue symptoms too? My mum is 57, and having menopause, she experiences symptoms of burning tongue, where she would describe it as being on fire and that not even sucking on ice cubes or eating any cold stuff would help reduce the burning sensation. She also feels very hot internally, as well as has abdomen bloatedness regularly. Will applying progesterone cream help relieve her symptoms, and if it does, is there any specific part of the body that she should apply the cream to? Thank you.

Dec 03, 2013
Can progesterone cream help my mum's burning tongue symptoms too?
by: Wray

Hi CH No one seems to know the cause of burning tongue syndrome (BTS), see here. These are a few sites with info on it, see here, here and here. It does appear to be more common in women who are stressed. But as it affects more women than men, and it's more prevalent during the last three years of Peri-menopause and into Menopause, than during our earlier years, this makes me suspect oestrogen, it's an excitatory, inflammatory hormone. There are ample nerve fibres in the tongue containing substance P. This is a nociceptive neuropeptide, causing pain and nausea. No one seems to know why substance P is in the neurons, but one study concludes "These data suggest that substance P may play a role in taste and/or in oral pain", see here. Oestrogen appears to amplify it's signal, whereas progesterone decreases it, see here. But substance P suppresses progesterone, see here. Although progesterone does suppress substance P, but only if enough is used, see here. The paper says "Accumulating evidence indicates that the neuropeptide substance P is predominantly involved in neurogenic inflammation and pain perception...... Intriguingly, decreased pain sensitivity is found to be associated with high plasma progesterone levels. We hypothesize that progesterone may attenuate nociception and associated inflammatory response." There is a higher incidence of dry mouth and eyes with BTS. In it's most severe form it's called Sjogren's syndrome, oestrogen is always high, see here. Mood changes, especially Anxiety and depression have been consistently found in people with BTS. This is again indicative of high oestrogen, low progesterone. Another interesting feature is a disturbance in taste. This could be due to zinc, as a lack of zinc reduces our ability to taste. And a lack of zinc has been found in people with BTS. Continued below

Dec 03, 2013
Can progesterone cream help my mum's burning tongue symptoms too? Part 2
by: Wray

Hi CH Oestrogen suppresses zinc, and increases copper. Copper can cause severe depression and psychosis. Progesterone raises zinc and suppresses copper. Vitamin D is a potent anti-inflammatory and analgesic, magnesium is an analgesic too. Low magnesium will cause pain. Studies have discovered magnesium depletion allows substance P to increase, and subsequently inflammatory cytokines to increase too, see here and here. Magnesium is the most important co-factor for vitamin D, an imbalance between the two causes pain. Please ask your mother to have a here, here and here. Excess oestrogen could be the reason behind the bloating, although wheat does this too. She is now in menopause, so please could she read through this page, it will give her an idea of how much cream to use, and when and where to apply it. If she choses to use our progesterone cream, it is edible. I've used it in my mouth before for an ulcer. I know others have too. It's more effective if applied directly to the problem area, or above it if it's an internal organ. Progesterone is slightly bitter, but not unpleasant. Take care Wray

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