Endometrial Cancer Stage II

by Linda K
(Tx, USA)

I was recently diagnosed with endometrial cancer stage II. Naturally, the doctors want to do a complete hysterectomy. I was wondering if anyone knows of any studies or research on the use of progesterone cream for treating endometrial cancer. I have been on 2000mg of 10% progesterone cream for the last five weeks (4 times daily).

Before I discovered the 10% cream, I was on a lower percentage concentrated progesterone cream. I was taking 528 mg (6 tsp) of that daily. Until recently, I had a lot of bleeding, but the bleeding is lessening, and I feel a lot better than I did a few months ago when I found that I was was low on Vitamin D3. Now my Vitamin D3 level is 70. I am taking 5000 -10000mg of Vitamin D3 daily. Also I'm taking sustained release Vitamin B complex 100, 2000mg NAC, 1000mg bioflavonoids, and 4000mg taurine. Also, I soak my feet in epson salt at night.

Due to the fact that I'm feeling so much better now than I did in November and the bleeding is lessening, I am tempted to wait two more months to see if the cancer reverses. Good idea or not?

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Jan 21, 2016
Progesterone
by: Paige

Linda, I don't know the answer to your question but I just wanted to let you know that I am facing a similar issue with a cyst on my ovary that is possibly malignant. I started progesterone cream and doing most of the supplements you are doing to help myself with the cyst issues as well as hormonal symptoms that crept up on me. I am scheduled to have the ovary removed in a litte over a week, with the possibility of having a total hysterectomy if malignancy is present. I feel for you and just wanted to reach out to you and let you know that you are not alone and are in the right place. These ladies here are so supportive and have great knowledge and info to share. I don't know what I would have done without this fourm! I will keep you in my thoughts and hope that all turns out well for you. In addition to the supplements you mentioned, please look up Vitamin B-17. The research I have done on it looked promising and I purchased some in hopes that just in case I this cyst is malignant, it is fighting it. Always research everything you plan on taking, and make an informed decision to use it. Keep us posted!

Jan 21, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage ll
by: RJ

Hello Linda!
Boy, this would be a question for Joy, as Wray has retired. She may recommend increasing that dosage of progesterone. What about going back and seeing if the cancer is still present? Five weeks is not long for drastic changes, but look at how well things are going now in just a few weeks. What about a second opinion? You are on a fantastic array of supplements for this. Be sure to take K2, magnesium and boron with D3, you don't want the calcium building in places we don't want it. I would increase that D3 until your level gets into the 90's. Folks with cancer need to be in the 90's. I will send you some sites I follow as my mother has had cancer of the thyroid. They are wonderful sites. They may be able to help too.
thetruthaboutcancer.com
cancertutor.com
draxe.com (he cured his mother of cancer)
bodyecology.com

My prayers go out to you. Cancer is curable...don't give up and stay positive and in faith! God Bless! RJ

Jan 21, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Linda K

Thank you Paige for your support. I am sorry that you are dealing with a possible malignant tumor on your ovary. I did look up Vitamin B-17, and I found that it is actually not a vitamin. It is amygdalin or laetrile which has been discredited as a treatment for cancer. I was going to post a link, but I see that the moderator doesn't want HTML in the comments. I read about amygdalin on Wikipedia.

I forgot to mention in my earlier story, that I am post-menopausal, and that I had endometrial hyperplasia without atypia some years ago while in the post-menopausal stage. At that time I lost a lot of weight. started progesterone cream and metformin. Metformin is anti-estrogenic. The bleeding stopped.

When my doctor left her practice, I had problems finding another doctor until recently. In between doctors, within the last few years, I gained weight, stopped metformin and was using less progesterone cream.

I am now on metformin plus the 10% progesterone cream and supplements. I am going to up the NAC and add lysine and some other supplements that Wray has mentioned in her responses to other people dealing with endometrial cancer.

I have lost about 15-20 pounds, but I need to lose more. I am exercising much more than before. I feel a lot better now that my vitamin D level is up. I am hopeful that my Stage II can reverse. On the lower level of progesterone, my endometrial layer was thinner than it was when I was earlier diagnosed with hyperplasia. When I started the 10% progesterone, at first the bleeding decreased. Then it increased. I think that was because the progesterone was cleaning out the uterus. I changed pads several times a day. Now after five weeks, the flow had diminished greatly. The color is lighter and more watery.

The doctor wants to perform a hysterectomy on me in two weeks. That seems really soon. I would like to wait a few months or longer while maintaining my present regime and then get another biopsy to see if the cancer has regressed. If not then I would opt for the hysterectomy. I just think that more time is needed for the progesterone cream and supplements to stop the bleeding and help heal the uterus. Well, I've rambled on long enough. Thanks again for your support.

Jan 21, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Linda K

Thank you RJ. Should I contact Joy directly or does she read the forum? In regards to K2, I'm eating gouda cheese and brie on an almost daily basis. Those are some of the highest food sources of K2. I also read that natto contains K2, so I may experiment with that. I am soaking my feet in epson salt at night to supplement with magnesium, but perhaps I should start taking magnesium chloride as well. I have diverticulitis, so perhaps more magnesium would help.

Thank you again RJ.

Jan 22, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage ll
by: RJ

Hello Linda!
Yes, you are correct about the food sources of K2. You don't need a lot just enough to direct D3 into correct areas. Have you looked into proteolytic enzymes or serrapetase? My husband was initially diagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis a couple years ago...thank the Lord it was a misdiagnosis and there is a lot of information out there on those two and help with fibrosis and cancers. The magnesium we take is glycinate as it's easier to absorb and milder on the GI system. We buy a lot of our bulk supplements from purebulk.com and they will give you laboratory results on what you purchase to prove purity. Although I know nothing about endometrial cancer, I will tell you I also had the watery flow for some time with light coloring. At the time Wray told me NAC because I had an unhealthy uterus. I took 2,000mg a day for a long time...complained to her a lot about it LOL...gave me such diarrhea...but I weathered through it and have continued since, four years later, at about 1,500mg a day. It has taken four years to start to turn for the better. CL, another commentator, wrote she was on 1,200mg everyday for four years before things changed for her. It isn't a quick fix but every little change is going help for the better. Joy does read the site, but I believe she is super busy with her Facebook page. You can find her on Joy's Natpro Page at Facebook. Ask her there and she will respond. Best of luck to you Linda and may the Lord guide you to heal and good health! God Bless! RJ

Jan 22, 2016
Your welcome
by: Paige

Linda,

Your welcome and my prayers and heart go out to you. I think everything you are trying including the progesterone first to avoid surgery is worth getting some answers to. I just had a second opinion with a different surgeon yesterday and was told I could hold off on surgery if I would like and do another 6 month wait and see/testing approach, or if I just want to be done with all of the testing and Ultrasounds/MRI's we can go forth with the surgery and get the ovary out. I am weighing my options right now as the MRI's give me anxiety every time I have one and the transvaginal ultrasounds are so uncomfortable for me.I agree with RJ, get a second opinion, I am glad I did. I was up at night crying thinking the worst and this new doctor put me at ease and helped calm me down. Good luck!

Jan 23, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Linda K

Paige, I'm glad that you got a second opinion. I would like to know how things go for you in the next six months.

As for me, I canceled my forthcoming pre-op appointment and operation that were scheduled for next week. I didn't feel ready, especially now that I'm seeing so much improvement. I didn't even have time to think or ask about a second opinion from someone else, and it was just last week that I found out that I had stage II. The surgeon told me that I was going against all standard medical protocol by delaying my hysterectomy. Yet, it is well known (among oncologists and those who research endometrial cancer) that endometrial cancer stage II is estrogen driven and is a slow growing cancer. Yes, I'm an estrogen producing machine. :) The surgeon even told me this in my first appointment. So I don't know why I was being rushed into surgery. I was told that most cancer patients want the surgery as fast as possible, and that I was an exception to the rule. Go figure.

The standard medical treatment for endometrial cancer stage II is a complete hysterectomy. I was perplexed when the oncologist asked why I wanted to keep my uterus when I was postmenopausal. The oncologist said the standard medical protocol was to try to save the uterus only when someone was trying to get pregnant.

Now that I've canceled the surgery, I feel less stressed. I will continue the progesterone and other supplements. Now that I'm not bleeding so heavily I will concentrate on interval resistance training and eating a low carb diet. Taking NAC and Vitamin D seems to have really curbed my appetite, so I expect to continue losing more of my estrogen producing adipose fat tissue.

Jan 23, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Linda K

Hi RJ, I don't know anything about proteolytic enzymes or serrapeptase. I will have to look into them. I'm glad that your husband didn't have pulmonary fibrosis. Thanks for the recs on magnesium glycinate and a good source to buy it from.

I'm hesitant to add to my arsenal of supplements. I'm already on many, and I just re-started metformin and today I began taking psyllium husk powder. The metformin is anti-estrogenic, and the psyllium is to help my diverticulitis. I have to be very careful about when and how much I take of these. I want to avoid diarreha and I also don't want to interfering with the other supplements I'm taking.

Endometrial cancer type 1 is estrogen driven and slow growing. Doctors know that too much unopposed estrogen causes it. Not all other cancers are estrogen driven. So I can't speak for those.

For me, NAC in powder form with water, diminishes my appetite. The NAC tablets I used to take didn't have the same effect on me. I take the NAC with food and I take taurine on an empty stomach. It's a balancing act :) I'm happy that you had good results from the NAC. If I have to take NAC for the rest of my life, that will be fine, as long as it keeps helping me. I did contact Joy through her website, but I have not heard from her yet.

Thanks again RJ! You are a very knowledgeable and helpful. Many blessings to you.

Jan 24, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Joy

Hi Linda

Wray has just replied to a similar contribution, perhaps you would like to read up on it here, it should help you. http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/could-natpro-be-bad-for-uterine-cancer

Take care.

Jan 24, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage ll
by: RJ

Hello Linda!
What you say about the "whitecoats" comes as no surprise. I entered that world four years ago, not with the doctor herself, but her assistant. Could endo cancer be fungus? Did you suffer with yeast infections throughout your childbearing years? And it's a low lying fungus that went undetected all those years and has now festered? I was reading an article, surprisingly from a holistic vet I follow, about boron. I'll copy and paste it for you....just a thought. I do hope SGM, another poster, is reading your comments. She has just been diagnosed with uterine cancer. You give some good information that some women may not know about. I didn't know about the stages and being estrogen driven. My prayers go out to you also. Keep faith and hope...those two may be as important as all the supplements we take! God Bless! RJ

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm?utm_source=Vital+Animal+Pack&utm_campaign=028eb118a4-Newsletter_January_17_20161_17_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_0669f4a181-028eb118a4-88933017&mc_cid=028eb118a4&mc_eid=cf53d2e29a


Jan 25, 2016
Praying for you
by: Paige

Linda,
I totally know how surgery is stressful, oh my goodness, mine is this Friday and I am a ball of nerves trying to hold my emotions together. I am on the fence about cancelling mine too. Please Please keep us posted. I will be praying for you and hope everything goes well so you do not have to have surgery.

God Bless and keep in touch,
Paige

Feb 02, 2016
Endometrial Cancer
by: Linda K

While I'm undergoing my self-initiated treatment for endometrial cancer I thought that I would post a link to fairly recent (2013) research on the roles of progestins in endometrial cancer, endometriosis, uterine fibroids and breast cancer.(NOTE: Progesterone cream is not the same as a progestin--which is usually administered orally instead of transdermally.)

The authors thought that progestins were helpful in the early stages of endometrial cancer, but not in later stages. They also say that progestins can worsen uterine fibroids.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565104/

Feb 03, 2016
Progesterone Cream Highly Absorbable Townsend Letter 2014
by: Linda K

This is a recent Townsend Letter (January 2014) about serum vs saliva testing of progesterone cream. Dr Zava explains why applying progesterone cream to the skin is very effective, and why saliva testing for progesterone is a more accurate indicator of progesterone levels than serum testing.

http://www.townsendletter.com/Jan2014/troubleproges0114.html

Feb 03, 2016
Endometrial Cancer
by: Joy

Hi Linda K

No one should even be looking a progestins, ever! Read up on it here http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/#axzz3u6Xk7Iur. And we all know that any form of oral progesterone is not the best delivery method, all this has been explained on the website. http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/hormone-testing.

Take care.

Feb 04, 2016
Endometrial Cancer
by: Anonymous

Thank you Joy and Wray for your comments,

Yes transdermal application of progesterone cream is 5-7 times stronger than oral progestins, because transdermal application bypasses the liver in first pass metabolism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progesterone

The second link you mentioned doesn't work. Here is the correct link. http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/hormone-testing.html#axzz3zCzTDbdO

I hope that you don't mind that I post links that I find personally helpful. By the way, resistance exercise is helping a lot in addition to the progesterone cream and low carb diet. My endorphins are higher after exercising yesterday. I had a really stressful weekend right before that, so I welcome being in a much better mood. Take care Joy and Wray. Thank you again.

Feb 06, 2016
Endometrial Cancer
by: Joy

Hi Linda

You might also like to read this page on Wray's website where she refers to an article by Dr David Zava, and the Townsend Letter. http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/progesterone-test.html#axzz3zJWClnlp

Take care.

Feb 07, 2016
Endometrial Cancer
by: Linda K

Thank you Joy. I read the link. That was from a Dr. Zava article that the Townsend letter published in 2004. What interested me most was the mention of a study about progesterone in the nasal passages favorably affecting the endometrial lining. I think that I will apply progesterone cream to inside my nostrils. I hadn't thought about that before.

The more recent article that Dr. Zava wrote for the Townsend letter in 2014 also contained very important information.

http://www.townsendletter.com/Jan2014/troubleproges0114_2.html

In this article, Dr Zava speculates that transdermal progesterone cream travels via the lymphatic system. If this is true, exercise and massage would be important in increasing the delivery rate of progesterone cream.

"As an alternative explanation to erythrocyte transport and delivery of progesterone, we also speculated that progesterone might be present in and around capillary beds due to its uptake, retention, and presence in lymphatics, which form a weblike structure with blood capillaries in all tissues except the brain. The lag from time of use to presence in saliva and capillary blood, about 4 to 6 hours, is not consistent with blood transport, which is rapid, but suggests instead that transport of topical progesterone and other topically delivered hormones could in fact be transported via lymphatics. Lymphatic flow is slow and depends on movement and muscle contractions, and therefore delivery to tissues from the lymphatics could depend on one's degree of physical activity."

Feb 08, 2016
Endometrial Cancer
by: Joy

Hi Linda K

Glad you found the article interesting. The beauty of Natpro, I stress Natpro because its ingredients are all natural, is that it can be used on any dry and inflamed area. The only place I would not recommend using it would be the eyes. It is excellent when inserted in the vagina at night for instance, it helps with dryness and inflammation. Those who undergo radiation find it extremely beneficial as it helps with the burns, some have even swallowed it after radiation in that area. The benefits go on and on. There is no option here to attached a pic of how it healed my hand after I poured boiling water over it, even I, after knowing its benefits, was blown away. I never leave the house without a tube in my handbag!

Take care.

Feb 08, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage ll
by: RJ

Hello Linda!
Us diehard progesterone users all believe in transdermal being the best route of usage. You would have to put a lot of cream in your nose for any beneficial results. I use DMSO if I want something to really, really penetrate the skin. It is a good carrier through the skin. Put that on first and then whatever it is you want to use. It will give you diarrhea if you use too much. Do rebounding to move the lymph fluid. God Bless! RJ

Feb 18, 2016
Endometrial Cancer
by: Linda K

First of all thanks to Joy, RJ, and Paige for responding to me here. This is the only online forum that I know of that offers support for those using progesterone cream to treat health conditions. I've noticed that on forums dedicated to breast cancer and prostrate cancer, there is very little discussion of progesterone cream, and those few who do mention it are usually scoffed at. I notice a few folks who have posted on this forum also are negative about the use of progesterone cream, but for the most part every one seems supportive.

Anyway, I want to update on my condition. Last weekend I bled very badly with large clots. One night I looked down at my sanitary napkin and saw coagulated blood in the shape of a pear, the shape of my uterus. That was scary. For about four days my bottom sheet and mattress cover as well as panties and pajamas were soaked with blood, so I had a load of bloody laundry to pre-soak in ammonia and wash. I lost so much blood so quickly that I would get breathless when walking. That's a sign of anemia –iron deficiency. I've been resting up and drinking water and eating protein to regain strength.

Obviously, I needed to make changes. Now, I apply the progesterone cream every hour instead of four times a day. I apply ¼ tsp of 125 ml progesterone cream every hour or so. This seems to be working out well. The smaller amount spread thinly over a large area seems to absorb better. The only problem is at night. When I'm sleeping, I don't want to wake up every hour to apply cream. I don't have a servant or robot to apply cream to me every hour. It would be great to take progesterone by IV as was done in the brain cancer studies, but I don't think I can find a doctor in the US to prescribe it for me. I just apply the cream whenever I do wake up during the night. For the last few nights, the flow has been much lighter.

I got tired of washing my underwear , seat covers, and bed linens whenever I flood, so I bought overnight sanitary napkins –not Kotex, which I made the mistake of buying initially and found too light. I bought Always 10 hour overnight sanitary napkins and an Always store clone as well as a package of pull on incontinence panties. I put the incontinence panties on than layer two overnight sanitary napkins on top of the panties. Then I put on a snug pair of panties over the incontinence panties to hold everything in and to prevent blood leakage around the leg openings. I had to put away my loose fitting granny panties because blood would leak around the leg openings. I think that my system is working well. My motto is to keep going. If I do start bleeding heavily again I will schedule a hysterectomy, but I want to give a little more time to the progesterone therapy.

Feb 19, 2016
Hugs
by: Paige

Oh Linda,

I too bought the disposable incontinence underwear to help with the heavy bleeding. However, this last period, I didn't even need them. I pray it continues this way and that I can credit the progesterone cream with helping. Hang in there and keep us posted. I have an ultrasound scheduled for next month on that suspicious cyst that they wanted to surgically remove with my ovary, I keep praying that it has shrunk or gone completely now that I have started the P cream. I am very optimistic that it will turn out well in the end. Hugs to you and know you and all of these ladies going thru this difficult time are in my thoughts and prayers every day.

Feb 19, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage ll
by: RJ

Hello Linda!
I think this is encouraging and progressive news. Keep in mind that for years your uterus has been unhealthy..building up..bleeding..clotting. It is not going to heal in a couple months. What you did was increase the progesterone and the uterus is trying to reverse that unhealthy state and it cannot do that until it gets all the buildup out. The big question is is it removing the cancer. You won't know unless you have another test performed but in the meantime the progesterone is cleaning everything out. I used to have the same thing you are going through. The clots were so big they would come out of my pantlegs. At night I would use Kotex overnights...seven of them. I looked like I had a diaper on. Couldn't go out in public and napped alot because of the blood loss. That pear-shaped clot I learned about a couple years ago. I too had it. Again, it's the uterus shedding the unhealthy buildup. But now that that has happened watch for a flap of skin that will be the shape of a pear also. It almost feels like rubber and is very hard to tear. That will be your indicator that the bleed is going to stop. I found a doctor online who had pictures of all these pieces of skin that women would bring into her because it scared the dickens out of them. I will also tell you that at the end of a bitches' cycle she will shed the same exact thing. Strange I know. When my pup did this I had to laugh at the funny look she gave me and told her it's okay we do it too! Don't forget those supplements, especially the NAC. That is going to help alot also. Have faith, the Lord made our bodies to heal themselves if given the right things! God Bless! RJ

Feb 20, 2016
Endometrial Cancer
by: Joy

Hi Linda K

It’s the support that is so very important and useful. Most people resort to forums such as this as all else has failed us! What is a concern about websites, blogs and forums is that there is such a lot of misinformation flying around by misguided people, enough to confuse anyone! Please read the Vitamin D3 page and take particular note of the video by Dr Carole Baggerly, who is recovering from breast cancer herself. Also read The Emory University Paper too. Wray’s page on Men and Prostate Cancer is also excellent.

About 14/15 years ago I suffered, like you, from heavy bleeding plus massive clots. The clots were so big that at times I thought I was actually giving birth. If only I knew about progesterone therapy back then, if only? Wray and I often suggest the Heavy Bleeding Protocol which has produced excellent results, please consider trying it. Remember that it is not an overnight fix, patience is needed. After saying that, I have just helped a lady in peri-menopause with severe heavy bleeding/clotting, she followed this protocol exactly, two months later she has a smile on her face from ear to ear. Remember that we are all different, we all react differently.

Heavy Bleeding Protocol:

*Natpro - 400mg to 500mg/per day * N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) - 2000mg/per day * Taurine - 2000mg/per day * Vitamin D - 5000iu's/per day more if vitamin D level is low * Bioflavanoids - 1000mg/per day

Vitamin D3 - http://www.progesterone-info.com/benefits-of-vitamin-d.html"
Emory University - http://shared.web.emory.edu/whsc/news/releases/2011/07/progesterone-inhibits-growth-of-neuroblastoma-cancer-cells-.html

Please keep us posted.

Feb 21, 2016
Endometrial Cancer
by: Linda K

Paige, I wondered what you had decided. The last I heard from you was that you were facing surgery within a week. It sounds like you decided to postpone the surgery. I hope that your ultrasound next month goes well, please let me know how it goes. So I'm not the only woman here who has turned to disposable incontinence panties to control heavy bleeding. I'm glad that your bleeding is lessening. Mine is too right now, but I'm wondering when and/or if it will start again. Take care. Thanks for responding. I appreciate your response.

Feb 21, 2016
Endometrial Cancer
by: Linda K

Hi RJ, Your response is very interesting. I didn't know if my experience was normal or not. Did you pass large clots with flooding often or just once? This was the worst blood clot episode that I have had. I do recall passing something that looked like rubbery red skin about a week after I had my endometrial biopsy in early January and then the bleeding subsided and I postponed the hysterectomy. I would not have postponed the hysterectomy if my CT scan had shown abnormalities other than diverticulitis.

I have been wondering how long before I can expect improvement ie, no bleeding. At first I thought a few months, but now I'm thinking that it will take at least six months, which will be this early June. I eat low carb and do not drink coffee or alcohol. I also try to eat as much grass fed and finished meat, poultry, eggs and wild fish as possible. When I feel well, I do resistance training at the gym and relax in the sauna. I estimate that so far I am losing about 10 pounds a month, which I really need to lose.

I am taking bioflavonoids, but I am thinking about trying rutin. Did the bioflavonoids and/or rutin help you? I am taking NAC as well as lysine and taurine. I take the taurine separately from the other amino acids.

I should have thought to take photos of my clots. I see a few images online of endometrial lining, but there are not that many.

Thanks again for responding. I don't feel as frightened now.

Feb 22, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage ll
by: RJ

Hello Linda!
Oh I would flood like that all the time. It was the norm for me since our first child was born. What happened to me as I got older and hit peri was the length of time I bled. I used to bleed five days then it just kept increasing until I was up to almost ten days. I remember one of the doctors I had seen said to me welcome to menopause. Then I bled all the time..up and down...light, heavy, light, heavy. The clots would get very bad. You can feel them getting ready to expel and you try to make a mad dash to the bathroom and pray the pad keeps it in until you get there. Knock on wood I did stop a few days ago, but again I didn't have a cycle for almost three months and I did have some clotting this time round but they weren't bigger than half dollars which is way better than a golf ball size. And that flooding can be just like the color of koolaid, with a water consistency. When I first found Wray it probably took me three or four months before the every day bleed or spotting stopped. Then when a cycle did come along it lasted maybe 10-14 days and they were still heavy with clots. But now I don't have that any longer. Haven't for some time. But I also take alot of progesterone. This last cycle I bumped up to 650mg a day to stop that second round that came a few days after the first one. So, you will learn how much to use as your body talks to you. Again, faith and patience. Sometimes they are as important as all the things we put into our bodies! God Bless! RJ

Feb 23, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Linda K

I think it's only fair for me to say that I am using Ona's 10% Progesterone Cream. I have tried to order Natpro on numerous occasions, but it's always out of stock. Given my present diagnosis of stage II endometrial cancer, I need a strong reliable progesterone cream that I can easily obtain, and right now that's Ona's.

After the awful bleeding episode of over a week ago, I am now barely bleeding. I am postmenopausal, so I should not be bleeding at all. I am currently taking 1/4 tsp of 125 mg progesterone cream every hour except at night when I take it whenever I wake up during the night.

I will issue an update on my condition if it changes. Thanks everyone!

Oct 02, 2016
Any updates?!
by: JillF

Any update? Sure am curious to know. I've been diagnosed with Grade 1 endometrial cancer.How did they decide you had STAGE 2? From what I've been told and what I've read they can't stage it until they actually go in there. They can grade it...but even that may end up being worse when they go in.

I'm a Huge believer in the power of progesterone, but am not willing to stake my life on it with a cancer diagnosis. Even with all the other good lifestyle choices. It's very concerning that you are bleeding so badly post menopause. I know that estrogen feeds and plays a part in causing the cancer...but the bleeding at this point is most likely caused by the cancer I would think. I am no expert of course.

The heavy bleed does not mean that the cancer is being released. Have you been rechecked for it yet? I hope I'm wrong and you completely reversed it. For me, I just can't take that risk. Cancer has killed several people in my family, I'm not going to put my faith in clean living and progesterone. Not for this issue.

I may however need it after! Lol

Oct 03, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Linda K

My cancer was staged via endometrial biopsy. Yes it could be more serious or it could even be less advanced. I've read cases of women (not on progesterone cream) who had their cancers downgraded after surgery from stage II or III to I, so it's not always a worse case scenario, besides Type I endometrial cancer is a slow growing cancer, estrogen driven cancer.

My CT scan showed that my uterus was normal, so I decided to pursue the progesterone cream and targeted nutrition route. It's not just the progesterone cream but also the dietary changes that have to be made. It takes time for all this to work, but then the cancer had to have time to develop too.

According to researchers wait times between endometrial biopsy and surgery do not affect survival rates. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/838222The article doesn't talk about what treatment if any these women received between the biopsy and surgery. I don't think that they were on any treatment. I think my prognosis will be better because of the progesterone and targeted nutritional therapy I'm on.

I'm pleased to say that the heavy bleeding episodes are no more and I no longer suffer from iron deficiency anemia. I have some light spotting. I'm going to schedule a followup endometrial biopsy in another month or so to check my status. Progesterone travels on the red blood cell, and I think that delaying treating my iron deficiency anemia may have slowed my progress.

I am not trying to convince you one way or the other about using a similar approach to my own or undergoing a hysterectomy. It's up to you. I suggest you research hysterectomy. There can be a lot of complications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysterectomy. If I still have cancer in a few months, I will undergo a hysterectomy, but not until I give the progesterone cream and targeted nutrition therapy a little more time.

By the way, how did you find my story and comments? It's been removed from search. I can't find it under my name or the title. I guess the forum owners didn't like the fact that I mentioned another brand of progesterone cream:)

Oct 04, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Joy

Hi Linda

I need to correct you if I may. The Forum owner is actually Wray Whyte who is inundated with posts making it impossible to post and reply to all comments, we do our best though. I see no reason why Wray would not post your comments because you mentioned another progesterone cream. You only have to search her website to see that she offers advice on all kinds of creams and methods. Do you perhaps have the link to the post that you are referring to, or the title and date posted? I can then see if it is somewhere in the system.

Many thanks.

Oct 05, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Linda K

http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/endometrial-cancer-stage-ii.html

Joy, it's this very thread. When I enter my name, Linda K, or the title of this thread, Endometrial Cancer Stage II, or Cancer in the forum search function, this thread does not appear. Only you and Wray and perhaps those who have a link to this thread can find it.

I've never asked Wray to personally respond to my thread. I respect you and her. I have read through this site and I am astonished at how much patience she has had in dealing with some very obstinate people. I don't have that kind of patience. I would not have lasted all the years she did, responding to people's questions so respectfully and with very detailed answers too.

To RJ and Paige, if you by chance read this, thank you very much for your support. It has given me the strength to persevere and helped calm my fears. I've never shared with my family or close friends that I was fighting endometrial cancer. I didn't want every conversation to be about the C word.

Oct 05, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Linda K

JillF, When I was sent to talk to the oncologist about my cancer diagnosis, I was under the weather. I was fighting an upper respiratory infection and was taking two or three over the counter cold medications. I asked the oncologist how many Da Vinci operations she had performed, because she was pushing the Da Vinci robotic procedure. "I've done lots", was her snappy response. I was alone and in a daze so I didn't follow up with a question about what did she mean by lots. I was then scheduled for a hysterectomy in two weeks. No time to get a second opinion. I began to have a lot of doubts about the oncologist and the rapid scheduling of my surgery, so I canceled the surgery and asked for more time. That didn't go over well. The oncologist fired me as a patient. Later I found that she had only been in private practice for six months when I saw her.

If you're going to have a hysterectomy, get someone who is experience and who can tell you more exactly how many procedures they have done.


Oct 05, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Linda K

The oncology office fired me because I filed a Medicare appeal for a lab test that Medicare deemed medically unnecessary and would not pay for. I was trying to get a letter of support from the oncologist. Instead I was fired.

Oct 07, 2016
Endometrial Cancer Stage II
by: Joy

Hi Linda K

Well now that you mention it Linda, I too have had problems searching for certain things on the site, other issues too. I do know that Wray has asked admin to look into my complaint, perhaps it's a little glitch in the system, you know how IT and computers work at times, or don't work. For example, if I search for PCOS for example, I will get a list of posts from different people yet when you open the posts they all have the same message. Hopefully things will get resolved soon.

Now I am reading further down on another post of yours and I see that you were fired!! You have got to be kidding me? I guess they do not like to be challenged and think that they must call the shots all the time. Rubbish, it's our bodies and our health, we have rights!! Of course we all know who is behind all of this. Sorry that you had to go through it though.

Take care.

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