Duke

by Duke
(Washington)

Just wanting to know since the P:E ratio matters more than the individual levels in females which should be 600:1, is this ratio also correct for males. I could really use some kind of an answer from anyone including Wray if that is possible. My last post has received no replies.

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Oct 26, 2016
Duke
by: Joy

Hi Duke

Wray has retired so I do not think that she will reply, she does visit the Forums from time to time though. Please read the Hormone Testing page where Wray has given the correct levels for both male and female. http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/hormone-testing.html#axzz1mcOUjSrY. Men have both total and free testosterone, its the free which plays a role, total does't as it's bound to SHBG. The 600:1 ratio suggested is what we have found with the help of Genova Diagnostics Lab, that generally it is a good ratio for some. Others have lower ratios and feel fine and others respond to a much higher ratio. Its the symptoms which are most important.

Take care.

Oct 26, 2016
Progesterone and Men
by: Anonymous

I would also very much like to know this as my husband is taking 40-60 mg every day.

What is the smallest amount a man can take without "ramping up" estrogen?

Oct 27, 2016
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by: Duke

Okay, just to let you know details as of two weeks ago I was taking:

130mg testosterone cream daily
25mg DHEA daily
Aremidex 1/4 tab every other day
10,000iu Vit D
Whole food multivitamins
Saw palmetto, Niacin, Krill oil, probiotics

I have been taking Testosterone and DHEA for about 4 years. It made me feel better but my lab results went from normal to high with no apparent reason. This last January all my labs were within the normal range. I had decided to experiment with Iodine supplementation around February and did that until the end of August when I stopped because of palpitations, high blood pressure 170/85 (Normally 130/78), and severe anxiety. After quitting iodine I ran into progesterone supplementation and this site. In October I decided I would try it a little and a week later I went in for labs with these results:

Testosterone >1500ng/dL (348-1197)
Free Testosterone 44.3 pg/mL (7.6-42.6)
DHEA 668.4 ug/dL (71.6-375.4)
Estradiol 77.5 pg/mL (7.6-42.6)
Estradiol Sensitive 49.1 (8.0-35.0
Progesterone 1.8 (0.0-0.1)
RBC, Hemoglobin, and Hematocrit all elevated

Once I got these labs back I decided that I would stop the DHEA at least temporarily and cut the testosterone cream in half. I have continued to apply the progesterone (I ordered three bottles from this site) and try and stay from estrogen in food and environment as much as is sanely possible. I had been lax at the Aremidex because I hate taking it but need to until I can get off the Testosterone and find other ways to keep it down. I want off the testosterone and Aremidex and seem to be feeling much better at 60mg Progesterone cream daily. I will add items one at a time to copy David G Wells protocol in hopes I can leave the testosterone and Aremidex behind. I will get my pertinent levels checked around mid November.

Question: I was thinking of reducing the testosterone over a period of several months. Does this make sense once I start taking Pregnenolone and possibly d-aspartic acid or should I go cold turkey if my November labs show good levels. Also, any other advice would be appreciated.


Oct 30, 2016
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by: Joy

Hi Duke

Please read this regarding Pregnenolone - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3427920/table/T6/.

And this on Arimidex - https://www.arimidex.com/.

If you are wanting to stop Arimidex, these papers maybe helpful to you:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22237979
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22128327
http://www.chi-health.co.uk/p_myomin.htm
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Myomin,+an+aromatase+reducer+supplement,+for+women's+health.-a0253882356

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