Dosage for Diabetes erderly women

Hello,

I would like to order 10 tubes of Natpro for my mother who lives in Taiwan.
She is 64 years old, at age of 30 her weight was already 70 kilograms, at age of 40 she cried every day and had all symptoms of Premenopause. (now she still takes depression drug once a week). At age of 53 she got diabetes (now she need to inject insuline morning and night). A year ago she had a stroke, and this year she is suffering from arthirits. endless pain .... I wish I could have found natural progesterone for her much earlier.
My questions are
1. Would you please advise the dosage for her? I am thinking to give her (start from 100mg Progesteron per day).
2. I do not know if progesterone cream is ok to import to Taiwan (or maybe Germany, I live in Germany, it needs a doctor prescription to have progesterone )? So my question is what will be the item name you declare in your shipping document, I am worried about the customs restrictions on progesterone cream.
3. Before I found natural progestoren, I took Dim plus to help my breast tenderness ( I am 43). I stopped taking dim plus because I read it might cause side effects? Do you have any research on dim plus?
By the way, I love your website. I just found natural progesterone this week. I bought 4 books and tried to know more, but the more I read the more I am confused on dosage and the so called side effects.... until I read your website. Thank you very much for providing all this information.

Jennifer

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Dec 29, 2012
Dosage for Diabetes erderly women
by: Wray

Hi Jennifer Thanks for the kind words about the site. There is so much confusing info about progesterone, particularly on the amount to use. I did a page called Progesterone Misconceptions to help clear up a few. Your poor mother, it does sound as if she needs progesterone, but it also sounds as if she's very short of vitamin D. A lack of this can lead to being over weight, diabetes, arthritis and heart disease. Both Progesterone and Vitamin D act synergistically. Please ask her to have a test done. For more info on vitamin D levels, test kits etc see the Vitamin D Council, GrassrootsHealth and Birmingham Hospital. Blood levels should be 70-100ng/ml (175-250nmol/L) and not the 30ng/ml (75nmol/L) most labs and doctors regard as adequate. The minimum daily dose should be 5000iu's per day, although recent research indicates it should be 10,000iu's per day, see here. It's so difficult to be exact about how much progesterone to use. The barest minimum is 100mg/day, but I feel she will get Oestrogen Dominance using this amount. If she does she should increase to 200mg/day, even this might not be enough. She might like to read these comments here, here and here for encouragement. Each country has it's own laws regarding progesterone. Usually you are allowed to import it for your own use, not for resale. She would have to make enquiries in Taiwan. You could try sending 3 tubes and seeing if that is allowed through, before trying the 10 tubes. We do send to many in Germany, but that would be an added cost to you, as you'd have to post it on. Unless she's coming to stay with you, or you're going to visit her. The fulfilment house puts 'aqueous skin cream' on the customs label. Continued below

Dec 29, 2012
Dosage for Diabetes erderly women Part 2
by: Wray

Hi Jennifer DIM is good, it's regarded as an anti-oestrogen. Oestrogen is broken down into 2 principle metabolites, 2-hydroxyestrone (2-OHE1) and 16-alpha hydroxyestrone (16alpha-OHE1). 16alpha-OHE1 is regarded as a potent oestrogen, whereas 2-OHE1 is a weaker oestrogen. In some studies DIM (3,3'-Diindolylmethane) increased levels of 2-OHE1, by doing so it also increases the ratio of 2-OHE1:16alpha-OHE1. This increased ratio is associated with a lower risk for breast cancer in some studies, not in others. It appears to have a positive affect on pancreatic, thyroid, prostate and gastric cancers too, and leukemia. The precursor to DIM is Indole 3 Carbinol (I3C) which also has antioxidant and anti-cancer properties. These are a selection of papers here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Take care Wray

Dec 30, 2012
Dosage for Diabetes elderly women
by: Jennifer

Hello Wray,

Thank you so much for your quick response.

I did strongly suggested to my mother to check her vitamin D level just last month(She was not happy to go, because she thought Taiwan is a hot country, and the doctor also felt strange that my mother requested the vitamin D check.) Eventually she did that test, and her vitamin D level is only 20ng/ml. I have already sent her 5000 iu vitamin d3. Thank you also for your suggestion, it confirmed that I did the right thing for her.

Just yesterday, I found a website http://buynaturalprogesterone.co.uk/
I decided to order Natpro from them, because the shipment from UK to Germany is easy (there is no custom check). I will visit my parents in Taiwan soon, so I can by the way bring some Natpro with me, and teach my mother how to use it. It looks like Natpro is welcome in UK as well. :-)

I will take dim plus back as my dietary supplement.

Warm regards,
Jennifer

Dec 30, 2012
Dosage for diabetes elderly women
by: Jennifer

Hello Wray,

Today, I purchased 3 of Natpro with express delivery from this website
http://www.organicproducts-llc.com/natpro-progesterone-cream.html
My order number is 22976

I changed my mind because I would like my mother to have Natpro as soon as possible, but I am not sure if I ordered Natpro from you, because the company is called Organic Products?

I read the following information from this website
http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/progesterone-cream.html#axzz2GVjnfOHy
when I order Natpro progesterone cream I will have
•Free access to Natpro's informational web site
•Free and full personal support
•Access to professional advice
•Natpro community support... through shared informational resources and our very active forums (you'll find a link to them in the right hand margin)
•Free subscription to the "Natpro Health Alerts" newsletter

Can you let me know where I can get this.

Best regards,
Jennifer



Dec 30, 2012
Dosage for Diabetes elderly women
by: Wray

Hi Jennifer It's so amazing how little is known about vitamin D, when there are thousands of studies being done now. All confirming we have too low a level, and that there is actually a vitamin D deficiency pandemic going on. Hot or not, we all spend up to 90% of our time indoors, making little to no vitamin D. I'm delighted you responded so quickly to the test results. You might find she has to take 10,000iu per day to get her level up fast, 5000iu is a maintenance dose. As hers is low, it will take too long to bring it up. That website belongs to one of our distributors in the UK, I'm glad you found it and that it makes things easier. It's good you're going to visit your mother, as I feel she will get oestrogen dominance if she uses too little. You can at least guide her and reassure her too. Let me know how she gets on, you too. Take care Wray

Dec 31, 2012
Dosage for diabetes elderly women
by: Wray

Hi Jennifer Organic Products is our holding company, we make a few other products too, a natural sunscreen range and nutritional complexes, see here. When you ask "where can I get this?", are you referring to anything specific, as I give the advice and support. Plus many women read each new comment as it appears on the widget, found at the top of each web page, and often make helpful comments or give encouragement. Your comment is at number three on the widget, as each new one comes in it drops a place. The link to the newsletter is in the left hand margin, these are few and far between! As I write them, and it's a question of finding the time between answering all the queries, plus updating web pages or writing new ones. Take care Wray


Dec 31, 2012
Dosage for Diabetes elderly women
by: Jennifer

Hello Wray,

Great! It means I will have your support always.

This morning, I just wrote an instructions of using progesterone in Chinese to my mother(my mother can not read English). I suggest her to start with 1/2 teaspoon in the morning, and 1 teaspoon before bed. If any symptoms occur, she should add 1/2 teaspoon. I suggested to her that the highest dosage she can possibly ever take is 6 teaspoon per day. I hope it will be a good start for her. Pls do let me know if you think I have made a mistake in my suggestion. I will let you know her situation after taking Natpro.

Today is New Year's Eve,
Happy New Year!
Jennifer

Jan 01, 2013
Dosage for Diabetes elderly women
by: Wray

Hi Jennifer Well that was a mission for you, but very kind! In case you haven't seen it, we do have a translate facility on the website. You'll find it in the right hand margin....'Your language
Translate this website into your language'. I have just tried it for our how to use page and it worked! Seeing all that Chinese was fun, it has a simplified Chinese and a Traditional Chinese version. Your suggestion on the amount to use is good, she can't go wrong with that, it'll give her about 250mg/day progesterone. And please do let me know how she gets on, you too. And today is New Year's day! So happy NY to you too! Take care Wray

Jan 01, 2013
Taking Progesteroe cream without break
by: Jennifer

Hello Wray,

Besides my mother, would you please also help me!

I am thinking of taking progesterone cream without break.

I am almost 44, petite type, never had HRT,never taken contraceptive pill. No hot flashes, no night sweat, no heart pulpitation, no fibrocyctic breasts,regular period(cycle 30-33 days), had 1 miscarrige at age of 40, no childeren.

I eat organic vegetable, mostly vegetarian; sometimes I eat fish. Strarting last month, I have been taking 5000 iu vitamin D3.

Here are my symptones

Luteal phase:
breast tendernss(lasts 5 days)

Before period:
low mood
dry skin
oral ulcer ( I take the small dosage of Triamcinolonacetonid for 2 or 3 days almost monthly, and this is the only drug that can help me.)
breast tenderness (lasts 7 days)
headache (1 day or 2 days before period)
bleeding lasts only 2 days, the 3rd day is almost nothing.

General symptoms:
tension in the back of neck (skull base area)
lower back pain
Wake up almost every night because of unknown whole abdomen pain. I was diagnosied GERD,superficial gastritis,duodenal erosion.
Recently, I started to have joints uncomfortable

4 days before my period in Dec., I started Progesterone cream (before I found Natpro I had already bought several boxes of Emerita Pro-Gest, I will switch to Natpro after finishing Emerita).

Here is my experience of using the Emerita cream:
Day 1, 40mg, After years of abdomen pain this immediately stopped, but had a sleepless night. Felt warm all time( I love it, because I am cold most of the time)
Day 2, 20mg ,In the day time, there is no abdomen pain at all, no back pain, painfree(no oral ulcer neither). But in the night time, sweat and abdominal gas.
Day 3, 20mg, Day time, pain free. Night time stomach and lower abdomen cramp.
Day 4 35mg, Day time pain free(10mg in the day), night time pain free(25mg before bed).
Day 5 period came. I put 20mg cream on my breast
because all these days my breast tenderness was not released. It was then released on the second day of bleeding.

I then stopped taking cream during bleeding, but my abdomen pain and back pain came back, light oral ulcer.and I woke up in the night becuse of abdomen pain again.

I am thinking of taking cream in the night without break.
Would you please let me know if you agree with this under the circumstances described, and if so, how much cream I should take. Thank you !

Jennifer


Jan 01, 2013
Taking Progesteroe cream without break
by: Wray

Hi Jennifer You are either in the beginning stages of Peri-menopause, or about to go into it. I'm delighted such a small amount of progesterone helped you, although I see it is causing some Oestrogen Dominance symptoms. As you've probably gathered I feel higher amounts are more effective, about 100-200mg/day, more if symptoms are severe. The miscarriage could well have been caused by a drop in progesterone, it's very rarely checked. It could also have been caused by low vitamin D too, that's never checked! Your symptoms all suggest low progesterone, particularly the timing. Some of them could be due to low vitamin D too. Both Progesterone and Vitamin D work synergistically, so I'm glad you're taking it. When you can please have a test done. For more info on vitamin D levels, test kits etc see the Vitamin D Council, GrassrootsHealth and Birmingham Hospital. Blood levels should be 70-100ng/ml (175-250nmol/L) and not the 30ng/ml (75nmol/L) most labs and doctors regard as adequate. The minimum daily dose should be 5000iu's per day, although recent research indicates it should be 10,000iu's per day, see here. We do have a few pages you could look through, Breast Tenderness, headaches/Migraines, and Menstruation. I'm all in favour of using progesterone daily, through any bleeding for 2-3 months. To my mind it's better to get rid of symptoms, than try to stick to a cycle. This might get disrupted, but a small price to pay. Only when you feel stable should you consider following it again. I'm so interested the oral ulcer went, it is a potent antioxidant/anti-inflammatory. Before I'd finished reading, I had automatically thought it would be due to low vitamin D. Continued below

Jan 01, 2013
Taking Progesteroe cream without break Part 2
by: Wray

Hi Jennifer The healing of the abdomen pain doesn't surprise me, see here and here. Vitamin D is also vital too, see here, here and here. The joint pain could be due to either low progesterone or low vitamin D, as you're using both it will be difficult to tell. But if it goes, it doesn't really matter! I would hope you find your skin becomes less dry too, see here. It's best to use progesterone a minimum of twice a day, as levels drop after about 13 hrs. And if at any time you get a headache, pain in joints, sore stomach, rub some over the painful area. I've found it works quicker doing that, and it doesn't matter how many times you apply it. I often do so 3-4 times a day. Please let me know how you get on. Take care Wray

Jan 01, 2013
Taking Progesteroe cream without break
by: Jennifer

Hello Wray,

Sorry, I wrote wrong dosage on day 4
Day 4 I actually took 50mg(total)
10mg in the day time, 40mg in the night
time.

After reading your informations here, I know that the dosage I took might be too low. However, I also read some people had long term success with low dosages as well. It would be great if you could give me some suggestions. Thank you!

Jennifer

Jan 02, 2013
Vitamin D3 and fish liver oil
by: Jennifer

Hello Wray,

I did vitamin D3 blood level test, it was only 32 ng/ml.

I bought the vitamin D3 supplement from here
http://www.integratedhealth.com/hpdspec/vitamin-d3.html

It is from fish liver oils(Vitamin D3 5000 IU and vitamin A 1000 IU per 1 softgel.)
I am not sure if it is right vitamin D3 for us. Concerning of vitamin A dosage , I do not know if I can take 2 softgels per day?

Would you please let me know if it is right vitamin D3 supplement. I am worried that I might send a wrong vitamin d3 to my mother.
I and my husband have been taking it (1 softgel per day) for 1 or 2 months.

Thank you
Jennifer

Jan 02, 2013
Taking Progesteroe cream without break
by: Wray

Hi Jennifer Your vitamin D is very low, as you saw from my previous reply, it should be a minimum of 50ng/ml. I've looked on the site you gave and as you say it does have 5000iu vitman D and 1000iu vitamin A. I would finish them up and then buy just vitamin D. The vitamin A inhibits the uptake of vitamin D, see here, here, here and here. The vitamin K is a good addition as it's one of the co-factors for vitamin D, another important co-factor is magnesium. As for long term success with low amounts of progesterone, I've found those are people with very mild symptoms. If they're severe, the stimulation by a low amount results in bad Oestrogen Dominance. Take care Wray

Jan 03, 2013
Vitamin D3 and fish liver oil
by: Jennifer

Hello Wray,

Regarding to Vitamin A and Vitamin D, I do not know if you have read this website,? if not,you might be interested in reading it.

http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/response-to-dr-mercola-on-cod-liver-oil

Jennifer

Jan 08, 2013
Vitamin D3 and fish liver oil
by: Wray

Hi Jennifer I do know the Weston Price site, some excellent info on it too, specially about the dangers of soy. I can't agree with their statement that 10,000iu vitamin A are safe and you only need 1000iu vitamin D. In excess it inhibits vitamin D uptake, please read those papers I gave you. Yes vitamin A is needed, blindness results with too little. But it's far safer to take as beta-carotene with no known toxicity. This is how all animals get it, apart from those living in water, or get their food from water, who eat whole fish and therefore the liver. But how big is the liver in comparison to the whole fish, tiny. Take care Wray

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