Copper

by Penny
(Oz)

Hello Wray In my search on all things hormonal I have come across bits and pieces on Excess copper. I was wondering what your ideas on this was as it seems to be causing alot of problems that we all have on here and thought it could be another avennue for people to search along.

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Jul 18, 2012
Copper
by: Wray

Hi Penny You're as bad as me when it comes to searching for solutions to hormone problems! It seems you never stop. And how right you are about copper. Excess copper causes oestrogen to rise, suppresses both zinc and progesterone. Not only that but it causes aggression, anxiety, depression and psychosis. Also seems to cause pruritis too, see here. William Walsh has looked in to it in great detail, his info can be found here. You'll have to scroll down to copper. Plus info from Blake Graham in Oz here. You might be interested in reading this page here. It's very long, so best to enter 'copper' into 'find'. She has post natal depression, but I did ask her to have her copper levels tested, eventually! So many things can affect us, I have problems remembering all the questions I should ask. She did and it was found they were high. Copper is needed, but all too often our soils are depleted in zinc, which means our food has little, which allows copper to rise! Many swimming pools use copper, plus some multi mineral complexes contain copper too. Zinc is so vital for fertility, the highest level is found in sperm, followed by our eyes. Low zinc causes stunted growth, plus problems with gonad formation. And more! Take care Wray

Jul 19, 2012
Copper
by: Penny

Hi Wray thanks for the info! Yes it seems when searching for one thing it leads to another! Copper is probably the only thing I have not had tested for and when I researched it, so many things rang so very true for me, I have pretty much no zinc or magnesium (which I now supplement with) and since adding vit C and molybdemun I have noticed such a difference in my head! It is so much clearer and my candida is not rearing its ugly head. And with the cream I'm turning a huge corner, I havent been warm for years and I'm warm hot hot flushy warm but normal warm, I feel like running down the street yahooing! I still have a way to go and I think it does take time for the body to regulate its self and repair so its one day at a time but I have so many more good days than bad and I do cherish that so much.

Jul 20, 2012
Copper
by: Wray

Hi Penny I'm so delighted you've 'turned the corner', I feel like yahooing with you! If you do have a copper test, please let me know the results. Maybe that's the first thing we should all test for. I've just answered a woman this morning about her son and his problems. She had him on soy milk because of allergies to cow's milk. But she has found his brain development very slow, and his testes were small. Soy is full of phytoestrogens, oestrogen in any form suppresses zinc, increases copper. Zinc is vital for the development of the gonads. Anyway she used a small amount of progesterone on him and was writing to tell me how much he'd improved. Skin problems gone and he was acting like a boy now. Plus she has him off all grains, as these are full of phytoestrogens too he can only get better. I don't think any of us realise how much oestrogen we take in every day! I'm not sure if I gave you these articles, but they give you some idea, see here, here and here. Plus of course there are over 100 oestrogen mimics in the environment now, see Our Stolen Future. Please keep in touch, I value your input! Take care Wray

Jul 20, 2012
Copper
by: Penny

Hi Wray I did read that post it was very interesting, I have just recently stopped all soy but when I was pregnant with my son I was on it and he was born with hyperspadius I think thats how you spell it, lucky it was only mild but it wasnt until later that I found there is a link between soy and the hyperspadius! Thank goodness I didnt feed him soy milk at all after s he is lactose intolerant.
I actually had my water checked for copper as our water is from a bore an we do have copper its at 0.34 mg/l and the danger level is supposed to be 1 mg/l but its still a red flag for me as I do drink a fair amount of water, so I am now searching for a filter specifically for copper as we do have extensive filtering anyway, its all a very interesting learning curve!

Jul 21, 2012
Copper
by: Wray

Hi Penny It is an interesting learning curve! It doesn't surprise me about the soy and hypospadias (I have to use the dictionary all the time, too many odd words!). The amount of copper in the water is immaterial, it's the amount you drink which is. And you say you drink a fair amount, so best to get it filtered out. Plus that used for cooking food, or bathing, minerals can be absorbed via the skin. Swimming pools that use copper are a major source for regular swimmers. The pitfalls never end! Take care Wray

Jul 24, 2012
Copper vs zinc
by: Kaylana

Hi Penny and Wray,
So many threads to follow and untangle! I have found the connection between zinc / copper and progesterone / estrogen to be fascinating too!

I wasn't sure if I should respond on the page about child use, my page on psoriasis or here. :-)
Yes, I've been using zinc and vitamin D along with the cream. The results have been very good as I have shared.

Penny, at the height of my psoriasis problem I had sores on my hands where the city tap water hit. I never found out if it was copper or the hormones that weren't being filtered (disgusting, I know!). Regardless, we moved a year ago to a house that has a well and the sores on my hands were the first to heal.
I agree with Wray's comment that it isn't the level that is important, but how much we are ingesting.

And to throw out another thread... has anyone shown how wheat consumption is connected to estrogen dominance? Dr. Davis of 'Wheat Belly' fame has numerous patients who sound as if they are suffering from estrogen dominance that is eased once they stop all grains. I have my theory, but am always looking for more input and sound information.

Thanks, Wray, for your valuable insight!
Kaylana

Jul 25, 2012
Copper vs zinc
by: Wray

Hi Kaylana Always good to have your input, even if it is on this page! I'm so interested to hear how the change of water has helped your psoriasis. And as for wheat, well I'm very radical, it should be avoided at all times…..except when eating a croissant! The problem about wheat is when it's well baked it's irresistible, otherwise it's disgusting stuff. It has a high content of phytoestrogens, so it does have an oestrogenic effect on us, plus the fact that large quantities are eaten, see here, here and here. The same goes for the legumes too. Dr Cordain is very interesting about grains and legumes, see our page on Nutrition for his website and a video. Take care Wray

Jul 26, 2012
Copper
by: Penny

Well I went to the Dr's to get a test for copper, even though the water test showed copper in it I still got that "look". Actually the only thing he knew about copper was wilsons disease. These Drs really need to start looking outside of the box, I guess its not really their fault but the teachers. Anyway he did organise a test but only a blood test, he wasnt at all familar how to test for it so I really dont know if the blood test will be of any value.On wheat I had a dramatic improvement when I eliminated all wheat I will never go back to it, even when I walk past a bakery with their freshly baked crusty bread smells going up my nostrels.....

Jul 26, 2012
Copper
by: Wray

Hi Penny I can imagine he would know abut Wilson's disease, but that's excess copper in the liver, and I'm sure you would have found that out long ago! Blood tests are the standard for most things, a hair analysis can be of help too. I'm sure Blake Graham, or the lab he uses knows how to test for copper, you could try giving them a ring or email……Nutritional Healing. How interesting you had such an improvement giving up wheat! But that smell as you say, it has to be one of the best. Dr Cordain has some interesting comments, saying humans were taller and had bigger brains before they 'discovered' wheat. What does that bode for our future and the amount we eat now?! Take care Wray

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