Adrenal Exhaustion Alternate Progesterone Cream

by Emily

As Natpro is unavailable I'm currently using Progesstelle which is supposedly Progesterone and fractionated coconut oil-not close to as good but I am 'making due'. Is it safe to take high doses of this, and to use it vaginally?

Currently am suffering from adrenal exhaustion symptoms again.

I took very high doses of Prednisone for adrenal exhaustion/asthma - I should say increasingly higher and higher and then EXTREMELY high doses over the course of more than a year. Thanks to Natpro and suggested vitamins/supplements etc. I am now free of the horrible Prednisone.

The last 3 or 4 months I've been low carb dieting and losing weight (I'm still very heavy-about 300 pounds at 5'4"). Also been taking probiotics. I take vitamin D patch and vitamin B patch. I have a stubborn case of skin fungus/candida.

Up to a few days ago I was walking 1/2 a mile or so a day and able to stay up more hours of the day. I also no longer had to take my cortisoid inhalor (Symbacort). I suddenly plunged back into adrenal exhaustion three or four days ago after adding these supplements-

Lecithin (2 or 3 times a day)
Pcygnogonal (sp?
Fermented cod liver oil

Also probably exercised too much and too much stress.

I'm back using my Symbacort as well.

Was having a terrible time getting healing/relaxing sleep until I started up with the Progesstelle and then took L-Tryptophan 1500 mg. last night.

I have found that if I take anything which lowers cortisol levels my asthma kicks up and I go into the adreneal fatigue/exhaustion. I know that I get a negative effect from DHEA, also Taurine (if I remember the name rightly).

I confess I was feeling pretty good and was not taking the Natpro regularly.

I wonder if going low carb and taking probiotics etc. causes too much die off for my stystem to handle? Also it is spring, the pollen in the air/hot weather always make my asthma worse.

I take Psych meds (Effexor 100 mg. a day, Trazadone 100 at night-Effexor doesn't work very well any more-occasional Klonopin which also doesn't work very well).

Would like to know how much L-Tryptophan is safe to take as well.

I'm getting that tired feeling as I type so that's it! Time to sleep....

Thank you
Emily


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Apr 17, 2016
Adrenal Exhaustion Alternate Progesterone Cream
by: Joy

Hi Emily

Progestelle is the progesterone delivery that I personally would go with as it is only oil and progesterone as you correctly state. However, it has 800mg of progesterone concentration whereas Natpro has 2000mg, adjusts need to be made when using. Because of the high oil content, I would not recommend inserting in the vagina!

So pleased that Natpro helped you wean off Prednisone. What is your Vitamin D3 patch delivering, it should be nothing less than 5 000iu’s per day and are you taking co-factors, magnesium is considered to be the most important of those mentioned? It’s unfortunate that Natpro has been out of stock for some time now, I would imagine the switch has upset things somewhat. I certainly do not agree with cold liver oil for reasons mentioned on the Vitamin D3 page, I know that Wray is strongly against it too. Any form of liver is loaded with vitamin A, too much vitamin A can become toxic and could be responsible for hair loss amongst other things.

Tryptophan did nothing for me sleep wise, but Inositol certainly did, but what helped me greatly was Magnesium. Please read up on it and consider taking AND using as suggested. I also went on the Adrenal Fatigue Cocktail with helped me a lot.

One application:

* 4oz/125ml freshly squeezed Orange Juice – the vitamin C makes sure that the minerals noted below get to the liver to nourish the adrenals
* 1/4 tsp of Cream of Tartar - this is an excellent source of Potassium
* 1/4 tsp of fresh ground Himalayan Sea Salt - this is an excellent source of Sodium and other minerals

Please read the following pages if you have not done so already:

How to use Progesterone Cream - http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/how-to-use-progesterone-cream
Estrogen Dominance - http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/estrogen-dominance
Vitamin D3 - http://www.progesterone-info.com/benefits-of-vitamin-d
Magnesium - http://www.progesterone-info.com/magnesium.html
Candida - http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/faq-candida.html#axzz3B7Rwrbwc

Apr 19, 2016
Update
by: Emily

Thank you Joy,
Since I wrote I ended up taking 45 mg. prednisone in order to go to the emergency room where they discovered I was dehydrated and gave me an IV drip. I had been diahrea for sometime on and off and on a strict low carb diet. They said my system was too acidic. I couldn't have gone without the prednisone due to asthma and the extreme tiredness, almost inability to move which was adrenal exhaustion, I still believe, since even after the IV I could barely shuffle off . I still was having symptoms-shakiness, tremors, bad brain fog, asthma, weakness etc, occasional feeling of pressure in the chest, muscle pain on sides, occasional thumping heart beat.

I'm taking 300 mg. Progesterone. Also upped the anti-enxiety meds. My sister and I suspected our cholesterol levels were too low, they run low in our family, and we'd both recently started taking lecitin. Turns out it LOWERS cholesterol. So she brought me a rice cake with thick slabs of this good butter and my brain fog and the tinglyness etc. started to ease up immediately! She was having some milder symptoms and it worked for her too.

She said that without cholesterol your hormones can't work. Could THIS be what caused my crash? True I was getting too stressed, but I was walking 1/2 a mile a day and now I can walk a little but mostly have to stay in bed with these awful sensations....well it is better tonight so I have hope.

Are there doctors who can test your adrenal function cortisol levels and who actually take adrenal exhaustion/fatigue seriously, and will treat it? I've run into a lot of doctors who more or less discount it? JUst a regular endocronologist could help?

MY sister sees an acupuncturist who also is a medical doctor and is prescribing for her pCOS. IF I get healthy enough to go out and sit up and be able to breath and think I want to talk to him and also get some tests run to see what is really going on.

Thanks for this great site and all the help. I'm going to start taking the Magnisium, also I have a Vitamin B/B12 patch I can take but was hesitent as I didn't know if it might cause diahreah. Also Vitamin C (large doses help). I read Vitamin K helps with Vitamin D3 absorption, so perhaps add that as well. I'll check out more of the links.

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Apr 20, 2016
Update
by: Joy

Hi Emily

Well dehydration is a terrible thing, you will notice on the Magnesium page it advises to keep well hydrated especially when taking AND using magnesium. One should be well hydrated at all times though. Your strict low carb diet, have you got your ratio correct? Are you eating enough fat and protein? This is most important and could account for some of your adverse symptoms. You should be eating 30% protein and 20% carb or 40% protein and 10% carb. Not getting enough fat in your diet also means energy loss.

Your sister is correct, it all starts with cholesterol see this pathway:

Mineralocorticoids…..
Cholesterol → Pregnenolone → Progesterone → Corticosterone → Aldosterone

Glucocorticoids…
Cholesterol → Pregnenolone → Progesterone → 17-OH-Progesterone → 11-Deoxycortisol → Cortisol → Cortisone

Androgens…..
Cholesterol → Pregnenolone → Progesterone → 17-OH-Progesterone → Androstenedione → Adrenosterone → two further hormones
Cholesterol → Pregnenolone → Progesterone → 17-OH-Progesterone → Androstenedione → Testosterone → DHT
Cholesterol → Pregnenolone → Progesterone → 17-OH-Progesterone → Androstenedione → Testosterone → Oestradiol ⇄ Oestrone → Oestriol (also Oestradiol → Oestriol)

There is a further steroid pathway which doesn't involve progesterone……
Cholesterol → Pregnenolone → 17-OH-Pregnenolone → DHEA → Androstenediol → Testosterone → DHT.

Most of your adverse symptoms are Estrogen Dominance and mentioned, I do not believe you are using enough progesterone. You can always reduce the amount used once you have things under control, all this is explained on the pages given to you.

Have you tried the AF Cocktail? If not please do, it works. The answers to the rest of your questions can be found on the website links already given to you.

Hope this helps you.

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