Abnormal bleeding

by RJ
(Missouri)

Thank you so much for the site. The unfortunate thing is I sit here most of the days reading to try and figure out my problem and I get nothing done. I'm 46 years old and have had regular on time periods up until three years ago. They lasted anywhere from 5-7 days and were quit heavy on days 2-3 with some clotting. Three years ago my cycles would come a day or so earlier and the doctor told me welcome to menopause. Not thinking anything of it I went about my business. Length of time didn't change nor did the flow just the days in between. Well January of this year comes along and again, period starts 3 days sooner but come day 8 and 9 I am spotting very lightly and for the next two weeks it continues to spot. But it was unusual, the spotting would start late afternoon. I would be fine all day until about 3-4 o'clock then it would spot until I went to bed and the cycle would start up the next day. Never heavy enough to wear a pad or liner. After two weeks all spotting quit and I tried to get in to the doctor and could only see a nurse practioner, who I was told could address my problem. Go see her and see tells me I cannot treat your irregular bleeding you have to see the doctor and she will want an ultra sound and possibly a biopsy to check for cancer. I was scared to death and not able to see the doctor until the end of this month. So no actual period all of February, just spotting and here comes the 8th of this month. I went to my GP because I thought I had a urinary infection. It burned when I urinated and it hurt when I urinated. No infection. But lo and behold I started that night and by the next day no burning or pain when I urinate. But I could feel contractions going on in the uterus and then I would flow. I am not accustom to menstrual cramps and I am supposing this is what woman talk about when they have period pains. So I started Natpro on the 8th, 200 mg a day. And 8 days later I am spotting, again no need for a pad or liner and I am still feeling a bit of discomfort. Pain never got so bad that I couldn't do anything and Advil helped but I didn't want to take that everyday if I don't have to. I will say this months cycle has probably been the absolute worse I have ever had since I started in 5th grade. I did have a pelvic ultrasound 14 years ago before I conceived our last child and it was determined I had very small fibroids and the doctor said after the birth that they came out. I know something is going on in there again because it does cause discomfort when I bend over and at times I can feel some pressure, as though I need to have a bowel movement. But I am so close to menopause I with no insurance if I can avoid surgery I really want to do so and that's why I'm using the cream, with hopes it will ward things off. So my questions are do I increase the dosage and if progesterone causes the lining to shed is that what is happening I am still spotting cause I am using the cream? And how do you know the entire lining has shed? Isn't that what I want to happen each month...all the lining to come out to ward off cancer. So then more progesterone is good so all the lining comes out, but then wouldn't that mean you bleed continually? I am confused, but I am also learning alot about hormones and for that I'm grateful for your site. It has helped tremendously! God Bless you and hope to hear from you soon!

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Mar 20, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: Wray

Hi RJ You are now in Peri-menopause, a most difficult time. Periods come and go when they wish, spotting, bleeding, flooding, we get it all until Menopause, when it stops. The nurse was foolish to say you should check for cancer, what nonsense. What's occurring is all too normal. The menstrual cramps are the same as the uterine cramps we get in child birth, nothing more. Progesterone is excellent at calming the uterus from these, in fact that's one of it's roles while we're pregnant, to keep the uterus from cramping and expelling the foetus. Next time it occurs, just rub some cream over the sore area. When first using it it can upset the cycle, hence the spotting, some women begin bleeding. It does settle back into it's normal cycle given time. Although quite possibly it won't as you're in P-M, cycles become very erratic, impossible to follow. I always suggest using the progesterone daily, through any bleeding or spotting. It doesn't appear your fibroids are very bad, so I would stop worrying about them. You are not having severe bleeding issues from them, which is the main cause for removing them. Progesterone does play a role in bleeding, but only because it drops, this allows the MMP's to break the lining down. We do have more info on our Menstruation page. The 200mg/day is giving you a good amount, and it should settle down. But there's no harm in using more, particularly if you hit a bad patch with spotting or any emotional problems. We can never tell if all the lining is shed, not without a scan which is unnecessary, unless you want to check the fibroids. And it's not a thickened lining per se which causes cancer, but excess oestrogen. Yes oestrogen does cause the lining to grow, but the point about using progesterone is to suppress the oestrogen. It influences all hormonally sensitive tissue, not just the uterine lining. So if it would calm your fears, please increase the amount you're using. I also suggest using it daily, unless you wish to try following your cycle still, it's up to you. Thanks for the kind words about the site! Take care Wray

Mar 20, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: RJ

Thank you Wray! I use the cream daily...have to order more today. I have to say all spotting but a very minute amount has stopped. The only way I can really tell if it's spotting or not is to insert a tampon and it shows just a pink shade that I really have to hold up into the light to see. In fact, I am so dry that I can barely insert the thing. What I did finally do is get Bactrim for a UTI from my GP. Even though the urine test came up negative I was having burning and pain during urination and extreme pelvic and abdominal pain which I was attributing to my female organs and was really getting concerned. Day four of medicine and just a bit of pain and discomfort left. I have been rubbing the cream into those areas thinking it may also work on the urinary tract system since it is so close to the female organs and I also read somewhere that when in P-M one of the hormones becomes low (can't remember which one) and it begins to upset our urinary system too. Again, thank you for the response and here's to a normal pain-free cycle this month ;) God Bless!

Mar 21, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: Wray

Hi RJ Well I'm pleased you've decided to use it daily. I did even when my cycles were regular, as symptoms came back in full force when I took the break. Progesterone begins dropping from about age 35 as we get start getting anovulatory cycles. These increase in frequency through peri-menopause, and of course stop once in menopause when we stop producing viable eggs. Progesterone is excellent for Candida and UTI's and IC. UTI's are generally considered distinct from IC (interstitial cystitis). Suggesting bacteria, viruses or fungi are responsible for the UTI, whereas the aetiology of IC is unknown. As the bladder is connected to the urethra, I find it difficult to conceive of two separate problems. Antibiotics are given for UTI's, often unsuccessfully, or repeatedly in the belief it's killing the pathogen. In 1911 Bernard Shaw wrote “… the characteristic microbe of a disease might be a symptom instead of a cause.” I tend to believe this. Pathogens are opportunists, if a cell or tissue is damaged they will take advantage of this fact. More and more studies are finding that inflammation is behind our diseases and disorders. Inflammation results from a disturbance in the immune system, often due to a lack of antioxidants. Which is usually a result of the pollution, processed food and drink, stress and more to which we are now subject. Inflammation seems to fit the bill for both UTI's and IC, but as the urethra is more easily accessible to bacteria etc, it doesn't surprise me they are found there. Several studies have found IC is due to inflammation, and a subsequent damage to the lining. Why not the UTI's too? D-mannose is sometimes effective. It's believed that the bacteria, if present, will adhere to the D-mannose and be excreted. A more likely explanation is the lining of the urinary tract, including the bladder, has become damaged by inflammation. The lining is a thin layer of glycoproteins, these are a combination of a sugar molecule and a protein. The D-mannose can be used for glycoprotein biosynthesis, see here. This would strengthen the lining preventing possible attack from bacteria or inflammation. The amino acid arginine can help too, see here. Mast cells are implicated, see here. Continued below.

Mar 21, 2012
Abnormal bleeding Part 2
by: Wray

Hi RJ Progesterone inhibits mast cell secretions, see here. Excess oestrogen and a lack of progesterone appear to be reasonable cause, see here and here. Oestrogen is an excitatory, inflammatory hormone, it's involvement is hardly surprising. Particularly when looking at the statistics, far more women get UTI's and IC than men. Interestingly oestradiol increases mast cell histamine secretion, which is initiated by substance P. This is a pro-inflammatory, nociceptive neuropeptide. Even more interesting, progesterone and it's metabolites are suppressed by substance P, see here, unless sufficient is used, see here and here. And yes, to a pain free cycle! Take care Wray

Mar 22, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: RJ

Wray, you are truly tremendous! What a world of information you hold. What you have sent me correlates with my issues. Haven't bled since the 15th of this month and started spotting yesterday which I have attributed to ovulation because if it's a normal cycle I'm ovulating now and after six days of Bactrim, yesterday the burning sensation and some pain discomfort came back full blown. This morning I was going to call the doctor and get another course of meds but after reading all of this I am not. Wray is the 200 mg enough each day to solve all these problems. My mother asked me yesterday are you sure you aren't getting too much progestrone and this is why you're having the problems you're having? Just the opposite...I'm not getting enough. Gosh can my system be that off balanced to cause all these problems and is the miracle cure in this little tube that I use every day. Thank you again for all the helpful data. Now if this would all just clear up quickly I would be so blessed. God Bless Wray and thank you again!

Mar 24, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: Wray

Hi RJ Bless you for the kind words! We do have a Graph showing the rise and fall of the hormones. If you are ovulating now, it means for the few days prior, oestrogen had risen very high. This could account for the increased burning sensation. I wish I could tell you if the 200mg/day is enough, but can't. Only you can tell by trial and error. And please try the other nutrients I suggested, the D-mannose and the arginine. Have you increased the vitamin D from the 1000iu's per day you were taking? My vitamin D level is now 92ng/ml too. Many women find their symptoms resolve once they get their levels high, and that's in spite of large amounts of progesterone. You might like to see these comments here. It's also a potent anti-inflammatory. It is possible to be so off balanced, I was when I first discovered progesterone. All the symptoms I'd ascribed to growing older left me, one by one. It did take 6 months, but then I was using the low 40mg/day as I knew no better. It wasn't until I met Dr Dalton a couple of years later, that I realised we needed far higher amounts to get better quickly. Talking of miracle cure, you might like to read the story at the very bottom of our page on Traumatic Brain Injury! Let me know how you get on. Take care Wray


Mar 24, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: RJ

Oh Wray, I'm not ovulating, I am apparently having another period and it's only been seven days since I stopped the last one. Last two days have been awful. Bit my son's head off cause I was short two eggs because he sold a dozen to the neighbor and then sat and cried off and on all day. And to make matters worse I ran out of Natpro last night and won't have my shipment until middle of next week, only because we live out in the sticks. When funds become available I am stocking up so this never happens again. So I am suspecting the next week will be absolutely miserable. And what niggles at my brain constantly is that nurse practioner worrying me about possibility of cancer and having all those tests done to rule it out. So, yep I'm an emotional wreck right now. I do take D...4,000 units a day with my calcium/magnesium tablets. I only took 2k a day but when I read your information on it I increased...what did I have to lose. And the amino acids I get in Twinlabs Amino Fuel 1000, but I am going to supplement the arginine and the d-manno I have to look into as I've never heard of that. Still am having burning with urination so I don't know if that's a result of the estrogen, infection, low progesterone, maybe a fibroid or this silly bleeding again. How I wish we could turn off the worry buttons in our brain. I will carry on with my daily duties and patiently wait for my cream and increase it to about 400 mg a day and see what kind of results I get. Again thank you for the info...funny how the doctors of today turn the other cheek to miracle cures. God blessed us with an informative, inspirational woman such as yourself! God Bless! I'll keep in touch!

Mar 27, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: Wray

Hi RJ Oh dear this can happen. At this stage I'm not sure if it's due to the progesterone, or you've started the erratic cycles which do occur in peri-menopause. Could be either or a bit of both. But interesting you had some awful days, and bit your poor son's head off too. Don't I know how you feel! Your progesterone is too low, oestrogen too high. I'm dismayed you've run out, that happened to me when I first started using it. I'd only bought one container, as I had no idea if it would work, or how long I needed to use it for. I had no one to ask at the time, the internet wasn't up and running in those days either! All went well for a few days after finishing the container, and then the hot flushes came back. I didn't know what hit me! I was frantic, back where I'd started. It was this which convinced me it worked, so I made sure I never ran out again. Please don't let that nurse and her silly words worry you, it's not going to help you, and there's no truth in what she said. I had it all, spotting, bleeding normally, flooding, sometimes my periods were 2 weeks apart, sometimes 3 months. Unless you feel you don't get enough calcium via food, I would avoid it. Taking vitamin D ensures you will have enough, as it draws it from the gut. Magnesium is low in most soils, therefore our food, plus it's the most important cofactor for vitamin D. Thanks again for the kind words! And do let me know how you get on. Take care Wray

Mar 28, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: RJ

Hi Wray, got my tube yesterday and began immediately. Seventh day and still bleeding, not much, just enough to annoy me. Wray I always thought D could not be taken without calcium because it would not absorb. Makes sense the D pulls from the gut...that is if you have enough. Not sure if I do or not. I do not drink milk, but do get a lot of cheese and yogurt. I make my husband take the D with calcium too. So I will be changing that. I don't want to sound dumb here but using the cream will not regulate my periods since I'm in PM, right? So these periods will continue to be this erratic until menopause...like they will never be normal and regular again? Ugh! And I'm only 46 and I'm going to have to endure this possibly for another 4-5 years. Lucky are the woman who don't face this until their late 50's. God does have a sense of humor! But I am not finding anything humorous in this. I don't think I will ever have my sex life back...my poor husband. Truthfully, I'm scared to death to have any kind of intercourse. Afraid there may be pain, bleeding more UTI's. And to think 4 months ago things were going good. I am so blessed he has the patience of Job. Thank you again Wray. Onward with the cream and to, hopefully, better days!

Mar 30, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: Wray

Hi RJ So pleased you've started it, I do hope enough. If the bleeding annoys you for too long, you could go up to 400mg/day for a few days, that should stop it. Then reduce very slowly over a number of days, if not a week or two. Plenty of calcium in cheese and yoghurt, also green leafy veggies too. You're now 46 so there might be a chance to regulate your cycle. When I started progesterone at age 47 my cycle was still regular, then became impossible when I was about 49, I went into menopause at 51. Do you know when your mother went into menopause, as this gives a good indication when you will. I've found the impossible cycles were in the last year or so beforehand. And the women who don't face it till they are in their late 50's are not so lucky. The longer we're exposed to oestrogen the greater the chance of getting breast cancer, see here. As we get older testosterone rises too, and progesterone drops, this is another cause, see here. And you should get your libido back, there's strong evidence it's progesterone that influences this, in men too, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. In fact we have many men using it for this, successfully I might add! Use the cream in your vagina, a finger or syringe is best. It's an anti-inflammatory so helps any dryness or inflammation, but give it time to heal. Take care Wray

Apr 10, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: RJ

Good Morning Wray,
Status update....NO BREAKTHROUGH BLEEDING!!! If I could put a amiley face here I would LOL. When I received the new tube I upped it to about 280mg a day. I am still taking daily and have not started a cycle yet. But a question....why is it that when I had the breakthrough bleeding I had no appetite and now I could eat everything in the fridge? Am I still in estrogen dominance? I have been reading that it could take 3 months of high dosage to rid the body of excess estrogen. I guess that's what this water weight is from too. Especially in my legs and feet. Although they don't look swollen...you can just feel the puffiness. And what is the itching in the vulva area? I had a doctor years ago tell me it itches in the area near when you get near to your cycle because the blood flow is gearing up to shed. Is that true or again, is it estrogen dominance? My daughter has the same issue. Now on to another situation. My mother is 76 and has had her thyroid taken out due to cancer....last February. Had to take the nuclear pill and was quarantined for 10 days and then they did the scan to see if all cancer cells were killed with the nuclear pill she took. She is having a terrible time with Synthroid and balancing out the thyroid hormones. She has rheumetoid, rhnauds, and now her salivary glands aren't producing saliva which the endocrinologist told her is an auto immune issue related to the arthritis. She has a lot of symptoms like I have with this perimenopause and I suggested she read your site and maybe look into your progesterone. Well yesterday she went to the endocrinologist and she brought this up and his first question was do you take estrogen...answer is no. Do you have your uterus...answer is yes, but the ovaries have dried up, which I didn't know could happen. And he said since there is a family history of breast cancer she should not take progesterone because it causes breast cancer. So, she comes home last night and is very concerned that I have put my 26 year old daughter on your cream (for acne, asthma and good health in general) because it's going to cause breast cancer in her. So my question to you is will the cream help with all the inflammation she has going on inside of her? If the ovaries have dried up does that mean no hormones are being produced at all? Then how can her body eliminate the bad estrogen that she is getting in the environment and food she is eating? And can't her being subjected to all of those be causing problems in her body and maybe that is why they cannot get her thyroid levels balanced? And will it cause breast cancer in her if she isn't making estrogen any longer if she takes the cream? Thanks so much and God Bless Wray!

Apr 12, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: Wray

Hi RJ I'm so delighted, I can see your smiley face! Increasing the progesterone stimulates oestrogen again, hence your hunger. It should settle down, but if you increase again for whatever reason, it will happen again. I have found amounts of 400mg/day or more prevent it occurring, but this also depends on how much oestrogen is present. It's trial and error, hit and miss, I wish it wasn't. It can take 3 months, it can take 10 days. But in some it can take a year. It all depends on so many factors, food, pollution, sunlight, ie enough vitamin D, stress and more! Oestrogen does cause water retention, whereas progesterone is an excellent diuretic. Did you get a chance to read the TBI page, it's explained there. You say you're itching in the vulva region, but previously you said you had burning there, or is it both? I think it's the skewed ratio between progesterone and oestrogen, ie too high a level of oestrogen. Have you tried using the cream in your vagina yet? All your mothers issues are related to low vitamin D, including the cancer. In fact the risk for getting over 20 different cancers rises with low vitamin D. It's a potent antioxidant and anti-inflammatory, much like progesterone. In fact they work hand in hand, plus a low level of vitamin D reduces the benefits of progesterone. More info about this on the TBI page. It always amazes me the lack of knowledge about progesterone, and coming from an endocrinologist too. Oestrogen is a mitogen, causing cells to proliferate. Unfortunately once the ovaries have stopped functioning, ovarian production of progesterone and oestrogen stops, but our fat cells continue to make oestrone, the menopause oestrogen, to the day we die! See here and here. So we have that to contend with, plus that in our environment as you say. In fact it's the oestrone which increases the risk of cancer in a menopausal women. Progesterone inhibits mitosis! It cannot cause Cancer. They all seem to think we only need it for reproduction, to my mind that's one of it's minor roles. Progesterone regulates gene expression, has a positive fundamental effect on cell differentiation and growth, with anti-oxidative and autoimmune anti-inflammatory mechanisms. It positively effects the nervous system by stimulating neurotrophic factors, quenching oxidative hyperactivity and regulating autoimmune responses. It can help RA, and Reynaud's too, because of these properties. Plus it prevents platelets aggregating, so keeping blood thin. Vitamin D is always low in all autoimmune diseases. It relaxes blood vessels too, all this would allow more blood to get to the hands. Continued below.

Apr 12, 2012
Abnormal bleeding Part 2
by: Wray

Hi RJ Sjogren's syndrome, where the saliva dries up, is caused by excess oestrogen, see here, here, here and here. And of course vitamin D again, see here and here. Plus studies have found significantly higher levels of prolactin. One of the studies found a much higher prolactin:progesterone ratio than controls. Plus the oestrogen:progesterone ratio was greater, this of course is a prime example of oestrogen dominance. Of particular interest to me is many believe Sjogren's also has a genetic component, as it tends to run in families. So do vitamin D deficiencies, in fact most of us have low levels. Another interesting find is a low level of sRAGES (soluble receptor for advanced glycation end products) is thought to be implicated in Sjogren's, see here. sRAGES is an anti-inflammatory, opposing the action of AGEs, see here. Glycation occurs when a sugar molecule binds to a protein or lipid molecule without the control of an enzyme. This impairs the function of the molecule, leading to advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs), resulting in many of our inflammatory diseases. Inflammation is the end result of long term oxidative stress. Most of our diseases are the result of oxidative stress, high levels of antioxidants are needed, including above all vitamin D. Continued below.

Apr 12, 2012
Abnormal bleeding Part 3
by: Wray

Hi RJ Please ask her to have a test done, and maybe you and your daughter would too. And please ask her to avoid all sugars, plus avoid those found in all grains, legumes, and sweet starchy fruits and veggies. For more info on vitamin D levels, testing etc see the Vitamin D Council, GrassrootsHealth, Birmingham Hospital and Vitamin D Links websites. Blood levels should be 70-100ng/ml or 175-250nmol/L and not the 30ng/ml or 75nmol/L most labs and doctors regard as adequate. The minimum daily dose should be 5000iu's per day, although the latest research indicates it should be 10,000iu's per day, see here. Finally to reassure you, I've been using progesterone for 16 years now. And I put my daughter on it six months after I started it when she was 14 1/2, she's now 30 and still using it. Bless you too! Take care Wray

Apr 15, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: RJ

Good Morning Wray,
Thanks again so much! I am going to have mom get on here and read what you have said. Some very in depth information. The endo gave her the name of the saliva disease and told her to look it up online and read about it. I couldn't believe it. He wasn't sure how to spell it, had to go out of the office to retrieve the correct spelling for her. Don't quote me, but I believe they had her on a prescription strength Vit D for some time during the cancer treatment and have taken her off of it now. I think she only takes 2,000 units now. She will find all this interesting. However, I do not believe I will get her to use the cream. She hopped on me last night again because I told my daughter to increase the cream because a makeup artist told her yesterday that her face break out could be a result of unbalanced hormones with the thyroid being most off balanced. Told her to get a blood test done. So I told her well you'll go to the doctor he'll determine your thyroid is low and he'll put you on synthetic meds. Why do that, the cream is natural, it won't hurt you and it may help clear the break outs. Mom heard and said you are going to cause great problems in her hormonal system and you're not a doctor. I forgot to mention that mom is battling gout something terrible right now. Had ulcers on her legs which the doctor had kept wrapped for two weeks to get rid of. Suggested to her that she go on horse chestnut to help the veins. But those ulcers have been a direct result of the gout. Is this also a result of low Vit D? Other than that I am still doing okay. No "abnormal bleeding" yet, hope to never see it again for that matter and I'm still waiting for this month's cycle to see how it flows. But you are correct, it was burning, but now it itching something fierce. The cream does help. Anything I put causes a slight burning sensation for a few seconds, which tells me it's irritated and inflamed. Just was curious about that doctors explanation. And since my daughter has the same issue I figured that it was again a high estrogen situation. The itch goes away a couple days into the bleeding and stays away until about two weeks before the bleeding starts again. Which means hormones. Thank you for all your help Wray! God Bless!

Apr 16, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: Wray

Hi RJ Pity about your mother, so many of her problems could be helped naturally. But it's obvious the doctors have her ear, so what can you do! Interesting you think she was being given high dose vitamin D, I do wonder how high though. 2000iu's is not going to do anything, pity, far too low. If your daughter has face break out, please get her to read our Acne page. It explains why the break outs occur. Often if someone has a thyroid problem, it's a lack of vitamin D, see here, here and here. Often a lack of tyrosine and iodine play a role too. But the chief culprit in skin problems is food, particularly all foods like grains, legumes, sweet starchy fruits and vegetables. Plus sugar and all foods which contain it of course. Leg ulcers heal so quickly with progesterone. All you have to do is fill up the ulcer with cream, bandage it and you'll find 2 days later all inflammation has gone down. Continue applying until it's healed. I also hope the abnormal bleeding is kept at bay too, don't forget you can take the NAC for it too. Let me know how it goes for all of you. Take care Wray

Apr 17, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: RJ

Wray, mom was on 50,000 units a day of Vit D, which was prescribed by her RA doctor when they first determined she had RA....five years ago. She has sinced moved and has a new doctor who has taken her off that. I am pushing for her to take 10,000 a day until she can get the test done. Can you overdose on D? I am thinking about giving a chewable to my youngest son along with his multi. I am trying to change mom's ear. If I can get her to do the D and she sees the improvement I think it will help to open her mind. And my daughter has been gluten free for quite a while eliminating all grains. Her diet is very bland. Mostly chicken, broccoli, popcorn, yogurt and apples. Lots of salads too. Thanks again Wray, I did want to let you know how much vit D mom was taking as it astounded me that they had her on so much. She really can't remember if the RA quieted down or not with the D but we're gonna give it another try. God Bless!

Apr 17, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: Wray

Hi RJ Good heavens, how amazing, at least he knew the importance of it. Pity about the new doctor. You can OD on vitamin D, for instance that 50,000iu's per day if taken for a few months would result in higher than normal levels. But some people have malabsorption problems, particularly older people. Evidently it didn't harm your mother, wish she could remember if it had helped her. Toxicity is reached when blood levels are 200ng/ml, very rare, most of us have low levels. Dr Cannell recommends……
healthy children under the age of 1 years should take 1,000 IU vitamin D3 per day
over the age of 1, 1,000 IU vitamin D3 per every 25 pounds of body weight per day
well adults and adolescents should take 5,000 IU vitamin D3 per day
I hope you succeed in winning her over, the natural route is always the best. Drugs to me are a last resort, or if it's impossible to help by natural means, i.e. malaria and Lyme disease. Take care Wray

Apr 21, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: RJ

Good news Wray, I have gotten mom to use the cream!! Her ulcers are coming back as well as the gout. She doesn't want to go back to the doctor to wrap the legs as they were so I told her what do you have to lose give it a try for the two days as Wray said and lets see. So, she used it last night but now comes the questions. If she has no ovary activity how much does she use and does she use it every day and will it cause her to have a cycle now? Can a 76 year old come out of menopause? God Bless!

Apr 23, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: Wray

Hi RJ Well this is good news! She's about the same age as the other woman I told you about. And no she won't come out of menopause, heaven forbid! She should use it daily, but dress the ulcers once a day, they should be helped soon. She does have much inflammation in her body, I wish you could persuade her to go back on the vitamin D, best to have a test done first. Although I don't think her level will be high now, that was some time ago she was taking those high doses, but it's best to be sure. And N-acetyl cysteine, about 2000mg/day, that's another powerful antioxidant. Do let me know how she gets on and please tell her about oestrogen dominance too. I would not like her to get that, that will really put her off! Take care Wray

Apr 24, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: RJ

Good Morning Wray,
Another question. This is the third day mom has been putting the cream on the legs. This morning as her leg is resting on the chair we can watch as these little blisters pop open and then ooze water. Her legs for some time have had a bruising coloration to them but now in the places she is putting the cream that coloration is now turning yellow. My first thought was the cream is going from the white color to the yellow color as it mixes with the matter inside the ulcer. But that's not it. The skin is actually turning a yellow color. What is your theory. Is the cream working...extracting whatever is in there or is that yellow infection. Legs are not swollen in the morning but as the day progresses they begin to swell and like right now the ulcers are weeping water, there is no color to the liquid coming out of them. She is taking 4,000 units a day of D. But I'm not sure the D will work fast enough to control what is going on right now and we have decided to wait to hear your thoughts before going to the doctor but we know that may be the only option right now. Take care!

Apr 24, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: Wray

Hi RJ The yellow colouring means it's healing. The purple-red colour of a bruise is from blood (haemoglobin), the yellow colour from bilirubin. This is the reason we go yellow if we have jaundice, it's from the bilirubin. It's a breakdown product of blood. The healing of a bruise occurs quite quickly, but the removal of dead blood takes much longer. I feel she should maybe rub cream around the wounds during the day to keep the swelling down. Or possibly even dress the ulcers again during the day. The weeping fluid is serum, ie blood without any red blood cells, which at least means she's not bleeding from them. And certainly no pus which is always a concern. So I think you shouldn't have any worries, but of course if she does, then by all means let her go to the doctor. Take care Wray

Apr 26, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: RJ

Hi Wray,
Do you have any idea when the cream will be available again? God Bless!

Hi RJ Stock has been getting in, but going out as fast as it comes in. We had so many backorders which have to be dealt with first. There should be more coming in within the next 24 hours. If you want to be notified by email as soon as stock gets in please send a message on this form here. Take care Wray

Apr 30, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: RJ

Hi Wray,
Just want to go over some things again to make sure I have it straight. First, mom is doing better, ulcers are healing. She even put cream on her fingers and she said the pain had subsided a bit. Anyway, this is my second cycle while on the cream. Started the same day as last month, the 21st, but it was heavier this month with more clots and today, 30th, I am still spotting. I have been using about 200 mg for the last month. My daughter gave me two of her tubes and I had to cut back because I gave a tube to mom (we all live in the same house) and your supplies were running low. So it was anywhere from 150-200 mg a day for last month. I know what you have said to me and to others. Could it below progesterone still? Is it the fibroid? Thick lining? And are clots the actual lining because they have like, for a better word, a tapioca like matter in them. I know weird, but that's how it looks. There was no pain with this cycle, but some crapping today as though it's trying to gear up and bleed again. The progesterone is high at the end of the cycle, right? Since the spotting didn't quit I used the last of the cream yesterday and this morning. Applied 400mg yesterday and 200mg this morning and my order should arrive in the mail today so I will be able to use the 200mg again tonight. Had no spotting throughout the month. So, is it possible I need to use 400 mg during period and then cut back to 200 mg through the rest of the month. The other thing I have noticed with this spotting is there are little pieces of what looks like skin in it. I know it could all be related to P-M but I just want to run it by you again. God Bless!

Apr 30, 2012
Abnormal bleeding
by: Wray

Hi RJ Thanks for telling me this, I'm so delighted! I thought they would heal, and it can help pain, it's a potent anti-inflammatory. But of course unless the underlying cause is sorted out, the pain will continue. Would she be willing to go on a raw food diet for a month? As I know that will help her. There are links to a few good sites on our Nutrition page. The continued bleeding is probably just peri-menopause. You said the doctor said the fibroid came away after you gave birth, although it could have grown again. There's no way of telling unless you have another scan done. Clots are congealed blood, they are part of the lining. The lining itself is covered by a thin layer of 'skin' as you call it, this comes away too. And no, progesterone is high mid-luteal phase, it drops sharply at the end of the cycle, which is why we get PMS, cramps and bleed too. There's more info on our Menstruation page about the bleeding. It seems you have the cycle worked out, so yes increase the progesterone only when you bleed. Another thing you could try is taking 2000mg/day N-acetyl cysteine, it does help stop bleeding too. There's info about this on the menstruation page I've given you. NAC is a potent anti-inflammatory. But it's so difficult when a woman is in P-M, as cycles are impossible to predict from one month to the next. Or should I say from one week to the next! Take care Wray

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