3x a day usage

by helen
(new zealand)

Hello again and thanks for this amazing cream! As I said in an earlier post I am 47 and was told I had RA, but a great friend put me onto natpro and what a difference! but lately ive had a missed period and had to increase the natpro to 3x a day to relieve me sore joints (which it does)I use it internally.Im not sure when my period is coming any-more other than my hands begin to hurt so this is when i increase the natpro, all other symptoms have gone...no hot flushes, etc...bleeding hardly a problem....but my question is other than during my period and a few days after i dont take the natpro, when pain resumes in my hands i begin....1x a day then 2x a day then max of 3x just before my period...even if it doesn't come I still need it to relieve my symptoms in joints, about every 6hours and I have huge relief. I have no side effects of using this much cream, and i just wanted to check that this is aok to use this much each dose is probably about a good teaspoon full...Also it would seem i am very low in progesterone is there any thing i can take in supplement form to help HOLD the progesterone in my system, iron is always low my whole life, sick of taking injections so have stopped, using the alkaline diet and watching stress....thanks again for your help regards lady in NZ

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May 21, 2012
3x a day usage
by: Wray

Hi Helen I'm delighted the Natpro has helped you. The amount you're using is fine, 3tsp a day is giving you about 500mg/day progesterone. But please don't stop using it. I don't know why this 'myth' was started, in fact I've done a page on these, as they're doing a disservice to progesterone, please see the page Progesterone Misconceptions. I think if you use it continuously, through your periods too, you'll probably find you don't need as much. Each time you stop it allows oestrogen to rise. This is an excitatory inflammatory hormone. You're now in the end stages of Peri-menopause when cycles do become erratic, so impossible to follow anyway. And yes to something else which will help 'retain' the progesterone, vitamin D. It doesn't so much retain it, but a lack of vitamin D reduces it's benefits. Please have a test done, levels in NZ are low, as you don't get enough sun most of the year to make vitamin D. I know you can't have a test done in NZ, but there are two sites which send out test kits. For more info on vitamin D levels, test kits etc see the Vitamin D Council, GrassrootsHealth, Birmingham Hospital and Vitamin D Links websites. Blood levels should be 70-100ng/ml or 175-250nmol/L and not the 30ng/ml or 75nmol/L most labs and doctors regard as adequate. The minimum daily dose should be 5000iu's per day, although the latest research indicates it should be 10,000iu's per day, see here. Many women have found simply by getting their vitamin D levels up, the progesterone works better, so they can reduce the amount, see here. Continued below.

May 21, 2012
3x a day usage Part 2
by: Wray

Hi Helen Another thing which makes me feel you are low in vitamin D is the RA, it's always low in people who have RA, see here, here,here, here, here, here, here and here. I feel one day they might even suggest it's a lack of vitamin D which causes RA. Progesterone is also low in all inflammatory disorders, in fact the similarity between the two has made me do a page on it, see Progesterone and Vitamin D Take care Wray


May 21, 2012
thank you for your reply,
by: Anonymous

Hi again, thanks so much for your reply, its just such a support to have this site, Im glad I cant overdose on Natpro! so I will try and take during periods as well, i feel so many of my symptoms reduce when using it that its got to be good. the so called RA is getting better with the continual use my only worry is I our govt might stop it from being allowed in to NZ as they have stopped other progestrone creames....but for now I wont dwell on this! thanks again for all the great help, I will investigate the Vit D, early on I had a test which my dr asked for apparently I wasnt low but their low and high might not match up to what my body needs...so will investigate further again. Once again thanks I will keep you posted and sek advice if things change again. Regards A.

May 22, 2012
vitamin d
by: Anonymous

Hello again after reading your comments re Vit D I found out my results last year for Vit D and found they were not in the high category but in the just over satisfactory, which means LOW! I was 58 and the testing starts at 50, my dr said this was fine, Im thinking not....so i brought some vit D with omega 3 and have started on this last night, I woke this morning with no stiffness in any of my fingers....I am so carefull with my diet and have got to the stage where I can almost pinpoint what I have done to cause a reaction....so I will contiune with the Vit D and keep you posted, thanks again nz

May 23, 2012
thank you for your reply
by: Wray

Hi A As for overdosing, I've gone up to 800-1000mg/day when stressed! You might like to read these amusing comments here. I'm amazed your doctor tested your vitamin D, particularly in NZ. As others have written in from there saying their doctors have refused, or you can't get it done. Ideas have changed so radically about what the minimum blood level should be, but most labs and doctors are still about 20 years behind the times. If you still have your old test you could check it, or have another done. It should actually be done every 6 months, I check mine every 6 months or so. Another NZ resident wrote in concerned about the legality of progesterone. Laws are generally made by men, who have no idea of the problems women go through with their hormones. If they could only experience it for a month or two I think they would change their minds rapidly! Take care Wray

May 23, 2012
vitamin d
by: Wray

Hi there That was quick! Please check the results again, and does it give the value of the vitamin D as 58nmol/L? This is the system normally used in NZ, but I need to be sure. Actually nmol/L is used the world over except in the States, which uses ng/ml. If the testing starts at 50, then I suspect it is nmol/L, which is the same reference value as used by the NHS in the UK. So if I'm right your level is very, very low! Blood levels should be 175-250nmol/L. Most labs and doctors now use 75nmol/L as 'adequate', not so the NHS! My level is now 230nmol/L. Please let me know. take care Wray

May 23, 2012
vitamin d level checked
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray, I have my actual vitamin D test sheet (Plasma 25 Hydroxy Vit D) at home so hunted it out You are right! the testing in NZ is nmol/L, My dr is a very progressive dr who is into natural therapies, this Vit D test was done at my first visit to her last Aug when I became very sick with the symptoms of what she thought was RA..even though the blood test showed no Rheumatoid factor in the blood...So my test sheet says I was 58nmol/L the recommended level is written beside it as between (50- 150) so I guess she thought I was aok....Since I feel so much better after now 2 days of Vit D along with the Progesterone I will up my dose of Vit D to 4 caps 2x day to get a loading dose and see what happens. I haven't visited my Dr in ages as I haven't found I want to spend money when I can do most of the research myself and work out things myself anyway, but I do order a blood test for Iron just to check and now I will keep an eye on my Vit D by asking for another blood in the next few weeks to check on my levels now I have started on the Vit D. Once again your help has been invaluable...thank you Wray.

May 24, 2012
vitamin d level checked
by: Wray

Hi there Ah I thought as much, thank you for checking. And yes you do have a progressive doctor, I'm delighted she did the test and probably won't be averse to doing another one. The problem with the ranges they are so vast…..50-150. Even the specialists give a huge range of 175-250nmol/L. To me it's a question of do we want to be really well, or merely just well! All the people I've corresponded with who've got their levels to 200-250nmol/L feel really well, and never get colds or flu. I haven't had one for years now. I'm so happy you already feel better only two days into the vitamin D, it really is amazing stuff. Would love to know if the 'RA' disappears, please keep in touch. Take care Wray

Jun 29, 2012
just a catch up...
by: Anonymous

Goodmorning Wray, thought you might like an update, I've been really excited about my recovery. its been nearly a yr since my dr thought I had RA. what a learning curve its been.... I've just watched the tedmed video on your site he is so very good have sent it to my friends and family.I believe I got sick in order to heal myself so I could then help others in my practice (I am a counsellor) I've always worked holistically taking the whole person into account....but now with my own experience, I feel it has increased my understanding even more.We are Body Mind and Spirit, if one is out of kilter it doesn't take long of all to be effected. After our last conversation I said i would be in touch again and let you know how the Vit D was going....well its quite simply been amazing. I'm up to 20,000ul (not sure of the measure) but it equated to 10 caps in morning and 10 at night. I know when I need to take them its about 10hrs between, body lets me know, I'm still on the alkaline diet but have started adding eggs a bit and even had some chicken (very small amount) the other day which was heaven!Since using natpro for 6months in large amounts, i had some spotting which went on for a week so i slowly pulled back on usage of natpro my period came nice and easily during which I used natpro is less amounts, during the bleed my RA symptoms nearly completely disappeared...its so not RA!since then I used Natpro using my intuition and my bodies needs, e.g sore boobs (rub cream on them symptoms go)sore hands same application...I think what has happened is my body has had the loading for 6months of natpro which it needed and the added Vit D was the missing link and now I will use everyday relying on my body to let me know how much and when. Im sure there is more learning to come so will stay open and honest with myself. I hope this and others stories can help,please dont ever give up, dont take your dr word for what's wrong, do your own research,love yourself enough to want to be well....and use natpro and vit d together...Wray you are heaven sent, take care A,

Jul 01, 2012
just a catch up...
by: Wray

Hi A I can't tell you how delighted I am! I couldn't agree more with you either, about humans being more than the sum of our parts. What else can explain spontaneous healing of the body, if not the mind and spirit being involved. I'm so pleased you're using the progesterone as I feel it should be used, as and when needed. If you get sore boobs it could be you need iodine, we have more info on our Breast Tenderness page. And that you've found the combo with vitamin D boosts it's affect. I'm sure, like you, that all the ups and downs I've experienced have been invaluable in helping understand other people's misery. All too often we're dismissed and told to pull our selves together, it's all in our minds. It could well be, as the mind plays a huge role, but the person still needs help. I'm so pleased you enjoyed the TED med video, it encapsulates all I believe. It's essential to look at the 'whole', and not as one wit put it, the 'hole'! I'm glad you've added some animal protein to your diet, amino acids are so essential to healing. I know there are some in all veggies, but you'd have to eat 1kg of broccoli to get the same amount as you'd get in 100g of fish. Your might be interested at looking through our Nutrition page. I find the Paleo diet suits me best. And if you need to find the composition of foods, the USDA Food Composition site is an excellent resource. It's best to get the full report, see here. Another excellent site, particularly for skin care products, is Skin Deep. Bless you for the kind words too! Take care Wray


Aug 02, 2012
vitamin D increase
by: Anonymous

Good Evening Wray, I have just had a call from my Dr as I had my routine blood tests the other day, My Iron still low but now just over the rate....its starts at 20 im 21! but better than my usual 11. Vit B a bit low so will supplement a bit more....but the biggest change was my Vit D as you know Ive upped my amount as my levels were only 58....well since then ive taken up to 20,000.00 Iu per day and feeling really great, my levels are now over 300....Dr not overly concerned as levels over 500 are considered toxic she said, she knows ive been using prog cream with the Vit D and knows the RA has significantly reduced...she suggests I pull back on the Vit D now as levels have increased and see what happens, I like the way I feel now and dont want to have symptoms return should I be concerned about the level of Vit D? Dr says toxic levels can cause osteoporosis long term . your thoughts would be greatly received.

Aug 06, 2012
vitamin D increase
by: Wray

Hi there Good news about your iron levels, and very good news about your vitamin D too. The best news is you're feeling great. At least your doctor understands vitamin D, 500nmol/L is considered toxic, but only after a some months will you feel any adverse affects. A friend was taking far too much for about a month and hadn't realised it. Her level was 875nmol/L and she felt wonderful! Lost weight too, but did stop taking it for a while after being advised it was too high. My level is now 230nmol/L, I've been trying to keep it up near the 250nmo/L mark, so you could reduce your dose to 10,000 iu's per day and see how you feel. It shouldn't make too much difference, but will prevent the level going too high. I'm so delighted the RA has reduced significantly, I thought it would, particularly combined with the progesterone. Monitor how you feel and if symptoms return on the 10,000iu's increase back to the 20,000iu's. But please have regular tests done, say every three months. This paper here gives you some idea of what symptoms to look for if toxic. Admittedly you'd have to take 50,000iu's per day for 3 months to get there! The cure...just stop taking it. Take care Wray

Aug 07, 2012
reducing vit d
by: Anonymous

HI Wray many thanks for your thoughts re the Vit D I will cut back and have already started will go back to 15 a day, I have just been thru a very stress inducing time in the last week and remembered your words about upping the progestrone, I remembered half way thru so did have some RA symptoms which were a good reminder as to how stress really does upset the progestrone balance, ive taken 4 days to recover using the cream in large doses, watching my acid level via foods and just plain old rest and low and behold woke this morning with no pain....So once again thank you for your answers and for just having this website...Ive never done this type of communication before and really find it has been so usefull, your a gem.... cheers again.

Aug 20, 2012
reducing vit d
by: Wray

Hi there See how you get on with the reduced vitamin D, levels of that also drop when stressed, so you might find it a bit soon to reduce. Although the 15,000iu's is still a good dose. I'm delighted you've found by listening to your body and using the progesterone like that, you've noticed a difference. That's how progesterone should be used, increasing the amount when needed, then dropping back to the amount you find good for less stressful times. Who isn't stressed now! I often give myself a top up when stressed. It's a question of finding a balance between too much (and therefore costly) and too little. Take care Wray

Oct 23, 2012
just a little bump!
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray, just a bit of advice would be really helpfull, all going really well RA symptoms are just about fully gone! still taking Natpro and just in last few weeks have had two periods and now onto third they arent heavy, no pain,no nothing really just a light period, during period I can pull back on Natpro amounts and resume once the period is over, but within two weeks Im having another, odd as for nearly a year now using natpro ive hardly bleed....before natpro was regualr but with lots of nasty symptoms and RA . So things greatly improved but not sure if i should be getting these 2 weeks periods any suggestions would be greatfully recieved. P.s Vit D levels have become more balanced now taking 10 a day seems to work well, diet still low alkaline, but intro some feta cheese and can tolerate some meat....life is good, can even ride my horses again, once again thank you for your unconditional support NZ

Oct 25, 2012
just a little bump!
by: Wray

Hi Helen This is all such good news to me, bless you for telling me! In one of your posts you said you were 47, so maybe now a year later you're about 48? It could be you've entered that last phase of Peri-menopause when our cycles become erratic. Bleeding can occur within 2 weeks, or 3 months, flooding and/or spotting. Impossible time I found! Or it could be the reduction in progesterone over your period is causing the erratic cycle. It's difficult to say. Maybe you could use the cream continuously, through your period too, and see if that helps. Or you could increase the amount round about the 2 week mark to see if that would stop the period coming. Sorry to be so vague, but it is difficult to gauge what's causing it. Very pleased your D level is coming up, it was so low originally. Let me know if any of my suggestions help. If you are in the last phase of P-M, none of them will! Not the bleeding pattern, but it will continue to help with other symptoms. Thanks for the kind words! Take care Wray

Oct 25, 2012
the bump!
by: Anonymous

Cheers for the reply Wray, It is a bit of a pain re the bleeding, but Im fine as all other nasty symptoms have all but gone, so I can easily put up with light bleeding. Yes you are right Im now 48 (Yay lol)and a whole lot healthier I might say I wouldn't want to repeat my 47th year!...I will keep up with the natpro throughout my periods and see how I go, Im not worried, just curious.My sister who is 4yrs younger hasn't had a period for a year and recently took 'Harmony' a natural supplement and she had a period! So I guess it 'aint over till its over'..Anyway happy to report life is way better and looking forward to living life to the full again, this time taking care of myself way better! I feel as if Ive been given a second chance..I will keep in touch, once again thank you for your time and support I love reading the stories....... Be well NZ

Oct 25, 2012
the bump!
by: Wray

Hi Helen It is a pain, but something you'll have to weather I'm afraid! It seems reasonable to assume it's all due to P-M. Interesting you had a bad 47th year, mine was the pits too. Luckily I found progesterone then, or I would have done myself or someone else in! The erratic cycles are so difficult to deal with, as they come out of the blue too. One minute I was flooding, then weeks would go by, and only spotting. Then 2 weeks later more spotting, or flooding, could never tell which it would be. There were no symptoms to tell me I was about to start a period, progesterone sorted out all those symptoms, not that I had many like so many do. And you are so right, 'it ain't over till it's over'! But the change was remarkable for me, yes a second chance. Take care Wray

Nov 19, 2012
my daughter
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray, Just wondered if you could answer a question my daughter asked.... my daughter gave birth just over 4months ago and has a beautiful little girl, after my babies i lost weight really fast but my daughter is really struggling, shes fully breastfeeding but the weight is really slow to go...i know everyone is different, but my daughter is quite small normally and she eats really healthy, she off wheat grains etc.. but must eat enough to keep milk production up shes on blessed thistle for this which works well.I read that after childbirth prog drops would she be able to try natpro while feeding or not? she's not being silly about the weight she would just like to get into some clothes which she can look better in still has a big tummy and legs, she is taking some gentle exercise (walking) Shes not on a contraceptive, but will get an IUD inserted soon, the one without the nasties with it, P. S Im doing so very well....helen NZ

Nov 23, 2012
my daughter
by: Wray

Hi Helen Oh yes, progesterone is fine for breastfeeding, see here. Progesterone does drop after giving birth, affecting some 25% of women. Oestrogen does drop too, but not to the same extent, and is often the cause of weight gain or water retention. I understand about wanting to get into something other than pregnant clothes! Is she taking enough vitamin D, as that's also another cause of weight gain. Makes it difficult to loose too, if the level is too low. Although these papers are about obese people, it does give an idea of the role it plays, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. And here. She might like to look at our Nutrition page, there are links to various excellent eating plans. Very happy to hear the IUD she's getting has no nasties in it! And delighted you're doing so well! Take care Wray

Jul 08, 2013
3 x a day/decreasing dose
by:

Hello Wray,

I was currently using 400 mg per day felt very depressed, as then the next day I tried 2 half teaspoons in the morning and then one mid afternoon and I felt very good. but I know your not sopose to lower quickly so that night I added more to add up to the 400 dose but now I do not feel well again. Will dropping from 400 to 240/300 cause oestrogen to rise? and can spreading it throughout the day 3 x a day work better? Thank you

Jul 09, 2013
catch up
by: Anonymous

Good morning Wray, just thought I would write and let you know how things are going...Ive some some really good sucess and feel nearly over the RA! Ive kept ot the alkaline diet and with some small meat meals once a week, I seem to be able to handle this, but I was eating alot of 'cheese'
which isnt alkaline, and still had some sore joints, so figured might as well go off it and see, low and behold joints are soooo much better, energy has increased also, Im still taking progestrone and use approx one tube a month which is great as keeps me feeling good and easier on the pocket....Ive been reading about adrenal support also with some saying if we 'fix' the adrenals we wouldnt need so much or any progestrone.....that progestroen masks the problem. Im not convinced of this I feel without progestrone my adrenals didnt have a hope in getting better... I feel the progestrone has helped my whole system 'fix' itself as its in balance now. What is really interesting is over the time I have been getting better....my anxiety (which was never a problem before the dreaded 47th yr lol) was up and down I couldnt hear my 'voice of reason' everything appeared bigger or worse than it really was.....finally my voice of reason has returned...just turned up the other day!!!! I was thinking about a problem and low and behold the voice of reason said 'its not your problem forget about it" and a sence of calm came over me (like it used to) and I went on my merry way! OMG what a relief...Im thinking if my adreanal were still not OK this wouldnt happen right? Any info you have on adrenals would be great....Im about 98% better but still wanting to kick the last little bit into touch! still taking vit d...down to about 6oooIU a day ....anyway hope all is well for you in your part of the world ....most gratefull for all the support take care helen.

Jul 12, 2013
3 x a day/decreasing dose
by: Wray

Hi there It is better not to drop too quickly, but see how you get on with the smaller amount. You can so easily increase it if symptoms come back. I use the progesterone at least twice a day, usually three times, sometimes more. Depends on the day and how much stress! For really severe symptoms it's best to use it hourly. Take care Wray

Jul 12, 2013
catch up
by: Wray

Hi Helen It's good to hear from you again. It appears the progesterone and changing your diet has done the trick, such wonderful news. Plus of course getting your vitamin D so high too. If you look through the Paleo Diet info you'll find dairy is one of the foods they do not recommend. It's something which was introduced only a few thousand years ago into our diet, as were grains and legumes. So we are not able to digest these foods at all well. Don't go too easy on the meat, fish too, as it is needed. 1 tube is certainly easier on the pocket, so pleased you've been able to reduce it. That is the whole idea, to use high amounts to begin with, and then as symptoms abate to reduce the progesterone. I still use about 2.5 to 3 tubes a month, but then that's all I use, I don't buy any other skin care. Although we have just developed a vitamin D cream which is so delicious, so I use that too now. And we're developing an acne cream which is showing good results, although luckily it's not one I need! I disagree, like you, that progesterone is masking an adrenal problem. When stressed the adrenals work overtime producing the three Stress hormones, cortisol, adrenaline and noradrenaline. Progesterone is a potent anxiolytic, as it activates GABA our most calming neurotransmitter, so reducing the stress response. This gives the adrenals a break, and as you say your 'voice of reason' came back! Plus it also reduces high cortisol and adrenaline levels, another bonus. The adrenals make a small amount of progesterone every day which they then convert into cortisol. If stressed they rob other sources, notably ovarian progesterone. In fact stress can stop the reproductive process. I feel if adrenals are stressed it's an essential nutrient. I think this is the best site on Adrenal Fatigue if you want more info. If at any time you feel stressed, rub some on, I do! I carry a tube with me wherever I go. Take care Wray

Dec 09, 2014
thyroid
by: Helen

Hello again Wray, I do hope you are well. I have a question regarding thyroid. even when I was having severe RA symptoms some yrs back my thyroid was always ok according to the bloods. now after three years and feeling just fine, my bloods have returned that I have Hashimotos or Graves disease. (excuse spelling) I tracked back and realized with extra work load I was not taking enough Vit D (am now) and had completely come off Natpro (back on small amount at night) apart form being a bit tired, I haven't gained weight rather lost it and only have heart palpitations at night while trying to get of to sleep so upped my magnesium...I am against taking iodine as Im told will mask the problem I very careful with my diet and off most sugars which really helps me my other supplements are: Hemp seed Oil 3 caps a day, Vit B complex, Vit C large dose every day, Magnesim from 2 to 3 at night before bed, Vit D up to 5000 IU a day, and organic cider vinegar to wash them down....any advise on what else I can do to correct my thyroid would be greatly appreciated....P.s no periods ( not 12months yet tho) and no hot flushes either! thanks Wray in advance. H

Dec 14, 2014
thyroid
by: Wray

Hi Helen Both RA and Hashi's, or Grave's, are regarded as autoimmune diseases (AD). They have discovered in most cases that 2 AD's are found together, rarely one. So you were lucky you only had the one to contend with, but now you have another. I must tell you that I'm not convinced about AD's. Every one of the over 80 AD's they've 'found' have low vitamin D levels, see here, here and here. Many have high oestrogen and low progesterone. But above all more women suffer from AD's than men, in some cases the ratio is 9:1. It makes you think! So please have your vitamin D levels checked again, and take 10,000iu/day. Dendritic cells are implicated in the initiation of autoimmune diseases, vitamin D inhibits their production, see here. Progesterone also inhibits dendritic cells, whereas oestradiol increases them, see here. In all the autoimmune diseases I've looked at, a high level of oestrogen is observed and low progesterone. Or the ratio of the two hormones is skewed. Oxidative stress is prevalent in autoimmune diseases too, usually as a result of low vitamin D or other antioxidants. High Prolactin is implicated too, see here. Prolactin, known as the hormone of lactation, is also an inflammatory hormone. Oestrogen stimulates prolactin production, see here. Excess prolactin suppresses dopamine, the converse is true. The precursor to dopamine is the amino acid tyrosine. But tyrosine is also the precursor to the stress hormones adrenaline and noradrenaline, to the two thyroid hormones T3 (triiodothyronine) and T4 (thyroxine), to melanin, the pigment found in hair and skin. It's part of the enkephalin peptide involved in regulating and reducing pain, and increasing pleasure. Tyrosine is essential for any stressful situation, cold, fatigue, emotional trauma, prolonged work, sleep deprivation, it improves memory, cognition and physical performance, and is used for weight loss treatments. Lack of protein and stress lower tyrosine levels, with a subsequent reduction in dopamine. Continued below

Dec 14, 2014
thyroid Part 2
by: Wray

Hi Helen Dopamine is essential for motivation and vitality, it's also essential for a normal sexual response. Dopamine levels drop when stressed, causing amongst other things.....depression, scattered thoughts, hyperactivity, lack of coordination. So tyrosine is a critical amino acid. We can convert it from phenyalanine, which is an essential amino, but if insufficient protein is eaten, or digestion is below par due to too little pancreatic enzymes or HCl, or if our gut lining is damaged, little will get into the blood stream where it’s needed. See these papers on vitamin D and Hashi's here, here, here, here, here and here. I don't have any papers on progesterone and Hashi's, but it is an anti-inflammatory and it inhibits the production of dendritic cells, so I'm pleased you've started it again. Is the magnesium helping the palpitations, as these are also caused by oestrogen, which causes prolongation of the QT interval, which results in palpitations, arrhythmia, Torsades de Pointes and sudden death. Whereas progesterone shortens the QT interval, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Continued below

Dec 14, 2014
thyroid Part 3
by: Wray

Hi Helen These symptoms occur far more frequently in women who naturally have a long QT interval, rather than men who naturally have a short QT interval. The supps you're taking are all good, I would throw in some antioxidants too, apart from increasing your vitamin D. I find the amino acids are more effective than the antioxidants we are generally told to take. For instance taurine, plus the precursor aminos to glutathione, our most powerful endogenous antioxidant……glutamine, glycine and N-acetyl cysteine. Glutathione is often too low. Maybe you'd like to look through the site Stop the Thyroid Madness for more info. Take care Wray

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